*drool* most imbalanced trinket i have ever seen!

[Veth]

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28785
The Lightning Capacitor
figure out yourself how often that will proc with a scorch spam build e.g.

[Jega]

Searing pain spammage from locks

[Omniel]

may i say that its prolly imba for elemental-shamans too, considering lightningbolt = nature damage and shamans have alot of talents and gear wich enchance nature spells (critchance, hitchance, damage, lightning overload too perhaps?).

not to mention they can get alot of crits fast. Pop elemental mastery (100% critchance) and do chainlighting.. atm that will give u 3 seperate crits and it will trigger the trinket.
so in an outmost extreme situation: (lvl 60 dmg)

*Elemental mastery*
*Chainlightning crits A for 2600 damage*
*Chainlightning crits B for 2000 damage*
*Chainlightning crits C for 1700 damage*
*Lightning Overload procs*
*Lightning bolt crits A for 2200 damage*
*The Lightning Capacitor procs*
*Lightning bolt hits A for 1500 damage* (see below)
*Earth shock crits A for 1400 damage*

All that in about 1 second, wich is 2600+2200+1500+1400= 7700 damage on 1 target.
I know its the most extreme situation but might cause alot of whining :D

About the proc from the The Lightning Capacitor hitting so high is because a standard lightning bolt from an elemental shaman hits for (untalented/with 0 spelldmg) for about 650-700 or so. This one has a base hit for 900-1100, if u can catch my drift.

[GuardianAnge1]

nerf pallys... i mean shamans :p

[Athelas]

i have this trinket and i must say it's really nice :)

I generally use is as its a free 1k hit and with enough crit it procs every mob when grinding. Guna for for the Furies deck and put them together when i've finished lvling my tailoring which i started yesterday ;) 370!

[Zand]

Ath! What are u doing trolling Rl forums :eek:

[Hincey]

Aye Mario got it the other day, i'm almost 100% certain its a DPS downgrade to pretty much any other trinket out there, i'll take passive dmg over a proc anyday.


p.s. Welcome to the forums :p

[Mero]

Aye Mario got it the other day, i'm almost 100% certain its a DPS downgrade to pretty much any other trinket out there, i'll take passive dmg over a proc anyday.


p.s. Welcome to the forums :p

Affected by your crit, with high enough %crit it would almost be passive dps increase overall
See calculations http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28785#z0z

[Dojun]

A little bit of follow up data that I posted to my guild site about some real world testing on the pre 2.1 Lightning Capicator (data is from http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=k6kycgi5m4egy&m )

We are pre SSC so my gear is lacking a bit in the +to hit dept which is why my miss % is high. Sephtin is a full frost mage.

Please excuse the somewhat awkward style, as it was previously only in our guild forums, but I figured the info was worth sharing:

Post 1 -----------------
Well, here's some real numbers from last night. I believe Sephtin and myself both had it equiped for the entire raid?

Sephtin had a total of 211 crits on spells that can proc the Cap. Which means he should have had 70 procs.

He actually had 62 Cap procs. (1 was missed)

I had a total of 303 crits on spells that can proc the Cap. Which means I should have had 101 procs.

I actually had 93 Cap Procs. (including 14 that missed!!)

Means I lost out on roughly 8% of the procs because it happened to proc when the mob was dead before the bolt could land.

The average Proc (when not resisted) hit for 782 for both Seph and Myself. Factoring in misses, the proc was worth:

Seph: 769 per proc
Me: 667 per proc (my hit rate sucks now)

So real world expectations should be roughly each crit is worth:

Seph: 769 / 3 * .9 (for when mobs are dead) = 230.7 This will go up with the slight buff.

Me: 200 each crit.

Post 2 -------------------

So what does it mean?

For seph, it's worth roughly:

Frostbolt spam: 29% crit rate: 230.7 * .29 = +66 damage.
It's a bit hard to compare to a regular +66 damage trinket, because its a flat +66 damage. It does not get doubled on crits, but it does not get nerfed by the frost bolts damage coefficent (.87? then another 5% hit).

Just a rough guess, but a +66 damage trinket would be worth on frostbolt spam:
66 * (Deep frost mage's frostbolt recieves 73.26%) .73 = 48.18 damage. Plus the crit value of 66* .29 = 19.14.
So roughly 67.5 damage. Would then need to factor in things that add to this damage that do not also effect the Lightning Cap proc (CoE, but not misery). So maybe another 6 damage up to 72 damage.

Frostbolts coef which looked really low to me came from: http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_Damage_Coefficients

Since the Lightning Capicator is valued after taking into accounts Resist and Partial Resist, have to finally tack that on to the above value.

Seph has an average miss rate of only 1.3%. So the final value would be 72 * .987 = 71.064


For me,
Fireball spam: 200 * .32 = 64 damage. Same as above, hard to compare to a trinket, but here's a shot:
A regular 64 damage trinket is worth: Fireballs receive .90% from +damage (assuming improved FB) = 64*.9 = 57.6.
Crit is ugly considering the mob has to stay alive for the ignite to tick, but lets assume it does:
Crit is then worth an addition 1.1 = 57.6*1.1 = 63.36 * Crit chance .32 = 20.2 for a total worth of 77.8. Same as above, have to factor in debuffs on the mob that do not effect the Lighting Cap (Scorch + CoE) would add another 10% or so damage (scorch is not always up) ~ 89.5.

Now have to take out misses and partial resists. Last nights resist numbers where through the roof considering we had new Gsoul playing 1 of the 2 warlocks and CoE was hardly every up.

My miss rate was 8.1 (bad mage!) for fireballs, which gives us 89.5 * .919 = 82.5. My partial resist mitagation was another 4.3%. 82.5 * .957 = 78.9

So a regular +64 damage trinket is worth +78.9 damage when spaming fireballs with my current gear/ build.

Scorch spam: 200 *.32 (should be higher, but test data is small) = 64 damage. 64 * .4286 = 26.88. Working crit the same way as above:
26.88 *1.1 = 29.5 * .32 = 9.44 for a total worth of +37 damage. Work in the debuffs and it would add in roughly 4 more damage for roughly +42 damage trinket. After resist rates and partial resist, its worth roughly 37.8

So in summary, the Lightning Cap is worth a flat +64 damage to me no matter what spell I cast. If I'm just spaming fireballs, to replace the Lighnting Cap i would need a trinket that is +53 Damage.

When spamming Scorch, I would need a trinket that is +109 Damage to replace it.

If I only spammed one of the two spells, it's a no brainer, but I use both.

Side Note:
For seph, he needs a +62 damage trinket to replace the Lightning Cap when spaming Frostbolts.


Posted by Arjon/Tokig on our forums and he found it somewhere else

[Mero]

What dojun said, owned hincie!
Rather bad for grinding, as my third crit might kill mob thus resulting in charges wear off. Haven't tested on long fights like gruul yet, though

[moose]

yes indeed hincie u couldn't be more wrong. with a 30% crit for example u will get a bolt on average every 9 spells, which does ~800dmg. that equates to around +90 dmg to every spell u do on average. so in idiot terms it adds an average 10% dps increase, for 1 item... and an average firemage in a raid will have at least 35% crit with scorch so go do the math.

ofc these figures are just averages and don't take into account resists or the mob taking a dirt nap before the bolt manages to do damage. but...that doesn't include the added dmg from critting with it, and if there is stormstrike/misery debuffs on targets thats another 10% dmg with it.

so hincie, which passive dmg tricket would u go for? :P

[Hincey]

Still not certain that its better than the Eye (inc the haste proc which procs all the time) and the Icon tbh but if it drops i'll ninja it and try it out.

[Mero]

Still not certain that its better than the Eye (inc the haste proc which procs all the time) and the Icon tbh but if it drops i'll ninja it and try it out.

Eye is indeed superior imho, using it all the time, Icon on the other hand quite replaceable with, say, mark of conquest/said capacitator/nexus horn/xiril's gift/

[Ironman]

I got that trinket yesterday and I must say that I'm going to use it.

Why? Well after playing a bit with it I love the fact that if I'm getting really really low on mana I can just spam Frostbolt Rank 1 and I still do a really nice amount of damage.

[Jega]

Use mana pots you cheap bastard!

[Deathwatch]

Ath! What are u doing trolling Rl forums :eek:More of us are on this forum actually Zand (actually, check my signup date, my postcount's not correct though) :)

But the trinket is really good - I've seen it on several characters, and it does work quite well with the right build.

[Zand]

Should have know....dual posting....thats how u get that many posts:cool:

[moose]

how can quag's eye be better? i mean seriously, unless you are blind and cannot read plain fucking english...

[Athelas]

Ath! What are u doing trolling Rl forums :eek:

im a troll aint i? :P

generally though u cant beat a 1k hit that cost no mana in a long fight esp.

I like it though as very useful both pve and pvp. I built my build around this trinket and my spell haste sword as the procs i get the happier i am :)

[Hincey]

how can quag's eye be better? i mean seriously, unless you are blind and cannot read plain fucking english...

Moose dont know why your bringing that tone here but you can kiss my hairy gritch. The proc along with the passive dmg (37) i thought might still be better, my 2 cent. I could copy pate a load of numbers to make a forumula that could be a loads of toss, i'd like to test it. If you dont like it fuck off elsewhere. EE forums perhaps.


Edit: Hello DW :P

[Xed]

I don't get what the all the fuzz is about?
I'm a primary damage dealer and it's awfull for me.

[Athelas]

I'm liking the new TBC trinkets, although the days are gone when i did a silly amount of dmg every 3 mins when my CDs were back now you get wierd and wonderful things :)

I'm looking forward to getting the Furies Deck trinket :D

[Dojun]

I'm a primary damage dealer and it's awfull for me.

Priests are healers mkay?

[Xed]

Priests are healers mkay?
Yeah! Sarcasm i fun... well I hope it's sarcasm...

[Mero]

I don't get what the all the fuzz is about?
I'm a primary damage dealer and it's awfull for me.

Maybe its cause you have only 2 spells that could crit? :p

[Dojun]

Yeah! Sarcasm i fun... well I hope it's sarcasm...

I might not be the person that likes ppl running around with whatever spec when I do PvE but when it works like shadowpriests its nice to have so you hoped right.

[Deathwatch]

Should have know....dual posting....thats how u get that many posts:cool:I've been part of RL since the Planetside days. But I guess most my posts are now either archived or locked away somewhere. :)

Anyways, I don't want to ninja this thread too much. So ehm, yeah, trinket ftw and such. ;)

[50kal]

think most of yout posts DW was archived on the old forum m8 :D

[WiGgLr]

think most of yout posts DW was archived on the old forum m8 :D

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