Sponsorship vs Voting

[Fusion]

I made a voting thread way too early and a bunch of you voted before having a chance to consider the pros and cons (which I was writing).

Sponsorship
The recruit gets a sponsor and he spends some time with the recruit and decides if he's up to the job.
Pros:
Less bureaucracy, ie easier for forum admin
Quicker recruitment process
Spreads the load of running the clan

Cons:
Less democratic: not everybody has a say

Voting
A thread is made on the private forum. People vote.
Pros:
More democratic: everybody has a say
Cons:
Longer recruitment process, especially if people don't vote
Requires more people in the process
People are lazy and don't vote or don't know who is or not on trial
Pain in the ass for admins having constantly move threads about. Additional forums required. More forum permissions. More time wasted. Nightmare. etc. I think you get the picture? :)
A combination thereof
The third way: perhaps we can come to a compromise...

[Ludicrouse]

I think a compromise would be best.....


a short 3 day vote in the private *InsertGameNameHere* forum.

If nobody votes no.... a member sponsers the person and looks after them from 2 weeks*Maybe more?* and that time when they are sponsered is their full trial.

Sponser doesnt deem them worthy... they get refused admission...



Thoughts?

[ForakExertus]

I don't agree with voting being a nightmare for the forum admin. It requires you to start 1 thread with a vote, this is a simple 4 click and 25ish buttons on your keyboard to type yes/no and the name of the recruit procedure, after the vote is done all you need to do is delete it (or move it to an invisible forum, same amount of clicks (2) spent either way. Forum permissions don't seem needed, a recruit cant see the private forum can they? so they can't see the recruitment vote forum either. (if you really don't want to ill be happy to start a thread for a new recruit (for WoW))

Ppl being lazy and don't vote, yes a problem im guilty of myself. But there are always enough (7+) votes in a week or so time, plenty to have a fair decision.

Futhermore i see it as a con to sponsorship that only the sponsor is responsible for the new player. Why give him that burden? with voting you spread the responsibility.

With this i mean that if the guy turns out not to be able to work with the rest of the outfit, the sponsor has to 'deny' him access to the outfit, whereas with a vote you can simply say the vote failed and he can't join. This prevents personal problems if the recruit is somehow related to the sponsor through other games.

[ForakExertus]

I think a compromise would be best.....


a short 3 day vote in the private *InsertGameNameHere* forum.

If nobody votes no.... a member sponsers the person and looks after them from 2 weeks*Maybe more?* and that time when they are sponsered is their full trial.

Sponser doesnt deem them worthy... they get refused admission...



Thoughts?

Interesting idea, but doesn't this DOUBLE the total workload to get a single recruit accepted?

[Ludicrouse]

Not really m8...

In fact its less hassle than your suggestion.

There is no need for a seperate forum
30 secs to create the poll
3 days of vote waiting
10 secs to delete it
1 person to sponsor the n00b
2 weeks of aclimatisation

so all in all you spend 5 mins ACTUALLY working on the problem.

and 2 weeks LOOKING for problems



thats a fething breeze....

[ForakExertus]

Wait, i must be missing the point, you want to vote+sponsor, whereas i want to vote+nothing, how is this more work?

[Echor]

Sponsorship
The recruit gets a sponsor and he spends some time with the recruit and decides if he's up to the job.
Pros:
Less bureaucracy, ie easier for forum admin
Quicker recruitment process
Spreads the load of running the clan


Is the bureaucracy actuall an issue? Typing is easy, so is pushing buttons, ok occasionally someone messes things up, but really is that a problem
Is it quicker with a sponsor? Look at the speed some people have joined RL at, the delays have almost always been caused by the recruit themselves, either not playing often, being hard to assess, or trouble setting up comms.
As for load spreading, you appear to be addressing that issue already?


Cons:
Less democratic: not everybody has a say

Voting
A thread is made on the private forum. People vote.
Pros:
More democratic: everybody has a say
Cons:
Longer recruitment process, especially if people don't vote
Requires more people in the process
People are lazy and don't vote or don't know who is or not on trial
Pain in the ass for admins having constantly move threads about. Additional forums required. More forum permissions. More time wasted. Nightmare. etc. I think you get the picture? :)
A combination thereof

This worked well for ages, the only problems arose when we had very few people actively playing.
It makes the process transparent to those in RL and invisible to those outside, so as has already been stated, if the recruit fails, that recruit can't blame their sponsor.
As the system was there before, I can see why many might think it odd that its so difficult to set up? Ok it might be, but how hard is it? From my perspective, each game has its voting forum, anyone that has access to it can start a vote (big difference to the last one), is that a big issue? If someone sets something up in error, it can be deleted/locked easily enough?

The third way: perhaps we can come to a compromise...
I've suggested a slight compromise in making it so that everyone that has access to a voting forum can start a vote, that would cut the administration a little. Perhaps the duty of starting the vote should fall on the introducer, that means the administration is just filing the vote in either the wastebin or an archive afterwards.

[Ludicrouse]

Cuz your vote takes longer....


You want people to vote for 7 days....

Mine is 3 days... no "No" votes and they get in....

That shares the responsability around

Then the 2 week Sponsorship period is the trial... They dont fit in and they get booted...


Your method is the "Old" and ponderous work filled way... mine is more of a sleeker faster hybrid of the old and new....

[ForakExertus]

Okay both systems would work, I finally get what your trying to accomplish with yours :)

(<-- thick)

[Ludicrouse]

Lol....


Nah you aint thick m8...

Just my poor communication skills :p



If it wernt for the fact that the recruit can delay the old system as Echor said it would be the perfect solution.

[Veth]

the main problem i had/have with the voting system is that i often haven't played with the applicant. i just cannot vote on someone i don't even talked to once. this had to do with activity and time spent in squads.

[GuardianAnge1]

what about... this is just an idea

everyone has a 'buddy' who finds things the same.

so each group of buddies vote. so if disturbed hasnt played with the guy, then he can consult his buddy...

this is kindergarden :D

[Fusion]

the main problem i had/have with the voting system is that i often haven't played with the applicant. i just cannot vote on someone i don't even talked to once. this had to do with activity and time spent in squads. Herein lies the problem with voting. If the whole of RL can't vote because they don't know the person, the advantage of giving everyone a vote is nullified.

[Echor]

Herein lies the problem with voting. If the whole of RL can't vote because they don't know the person, the advantage of giving everyone a vote is nullified.
Why is that a problem? The person won't be known to everyone with a sponsor either, that was why we had a minimum number of votes, a sponsor is like having one person who has total control (almost) over the applicant, it seems far less democratic or fair to me.

[Visionaire]

I'm all for the 3 day voting with subsequent sponsorship model.

[Shinigami]

Voting AND sponsorship seems overly complicated. That's basically twice the work.

I'm more in favor of going back to the old voting thread type thing, since that worked well untill player numbers dropped in PS. If getting 7 positive votes is a problem, lower the limit to 5.

[Shinigami]

Is it quicker with a sponsor? Look at the speed some people have joined RL at, the delays have almost always been caused by the recruit themselves, either not playing often, being hard to assess, or trouble setting up comms.

We wouldn't want people joining before they've met the requirements anyway, so that's not a problem for us. If they want in, they need to be willing to adapt to our structure, if they are not and they haven't met the demands (Gotten TS, posted on forum etc.) after maybe 2 weeks, the trial could end?

[JojoTheSlayer]

Well what we already know about the voting system is that it only worked good when we have more realy active members than we do now... Ergo to me it would be counter productive to go back to it now. I thought the sponsorship debate was started to try to get more members, not be 100% fair to everyones... feelings about adding new players?

I think a good way to keep the sponsorhip as is... a sponsor follows the recruit and then sends a recommandation to that games officer/commander, where he accepts or rejects the recommandation, is to start a thread, not a poll, for each new sponsored recruit. This is done by the RL that is sponsoring that player.

This thread states who the new recruit is, whos hes sponsor is and whatever else the sponsor feels is important about the recuit. Everyone else that has something to say about the recruit can just add there comment. Making it so that everyone that wants to take part in the recruit can do so, while helping the sponsor see a more wide aspect of the recruit and also help the commander/officer see if the sponsors recommandation is a sound on compared to the other members view of the recruit.
After the recruit is ether acepted or kicked the thread is closed.

This way we will keep more of the pros and less of the cons from both of the recruitments models. More peps can participate if they want to, while we dont need the numbers to actualy add a new member. If a sponsor is unavear of a recruit beeing a total ass while hes not online it will most probaly come up on the thread and be veiw pre recommandation by the sponsor or post recommandation by the commander of that game. Giving assholes less chance of getting in while okay peps a way of actualy getting in before they get bored of the proses or joins another clan.

OfC the sponsor has to be able to do the job and not make to rash judgements. Also some guidlines to who can and cant be sponsor of a recruit should be in place becase of ledgit reasons, eg a real life friend of the recruit shouldnt be hes sponsor or like a diplomat should not be from one of the conflicted countreis etc etc...

My2cent.

[Shinigami]

Yeah, if we don't enough numbers to do a vote, then atleast have the sponsor start a thread where people can post their opinions. It makes the sponsor less of a mentor and more of a gatherer of feedback.

[Ludicrouse]

I think a good way to keep the sponsorhip as is...


Exactly how does it work?
Who is made the sponsor?
Who WANTS to be a sponsor?

I have not seen a SINGLE person join through sponsorship!

Voting is pointless too!

I wont vote for somebody i have not played with. If i did vote what would be the point? i have never played with them and dont know them.


Both systems are very flawed....


Take CSS for example.... Who is to say that the Sponsor is gonna be online whenever the recruit is? Not everyone is gonna play with this person so a votes pointless if we are going by fairness.


You have to go for a hybrid of the two or just dump them both. Because from what i have seen both are too cumbersome of completley pointless.

[Vasquez]

i dont want sponsorship at all for a number of reasons.

firstly it puts pressure and commitment on someone

secondly it can be unreliable

thirdly for it to be anywhere near fair it will take longer than a voting system

it does not give everyone a say

it is very hard to do - having to be on at the same times, keeping an eye on THEM while playing the game and so on

if u think about it,voting is just a sponsorship system except everyone is a sponsor but noone has commitment.

[Echor]

Well what we already know about the voting system is that it only worked good when we have more realy active members than we do now... Ergo to me it would be counter productive to go back to it now. I thought the sponsorship debate was started to try to get more members, not be 100% fair to everyones... feelings about adding new players?
Including alts we've had 73 players log in in Jan (http://www.planetsidestats.net/outfits.php?world_id=21&outfit_id=6508&sort=last_log) so far, so I reckon we could manage to reach the 7 votes we had before?

I think a good way to keep the sponsorhip as is... a sponsor follows the recruit and then sends a recommandation to that games officer/commander, where he accepts or rejects the recommandation, is to start a thread, not a poll, for each new sponsored recruit. This is done by the RL that is sponsoring that player.

This thread states who the new recruit is, whos hes sponsor is and whatever else the sponsor feels is important about the recuit. Everyone else that has something to say about the recruit can just add there comment. Making it so that everyone that wants to take part in the recruit can do so, while helping the sponsor see a more wide aspect of the recruit and also help the commander/officer see if the sponsors recommandation is a sound on compared to the other members view of the recruit.
After the recruit is ether acepted or kicked the thread is closed.
This sounds very similar to the way voting worked, if someone said no, they had to say why, it was then discussed.

I still see the main problem with having a sponsor, is that the sponsor and the player might often play different times, ok your system allows for that, so does voting though, I like the simplicity that voting brings to the majority of RL players, even if it means a bit more admining?

[ForakExertus]

I still fail to see how the voting is useless. Ok how about this

Recruit asks/is asked to join RL, Trial period starts, ONE WEEK, the guy who asked him to join or whomever spoke to him starts a vote thread. He is also the GoF(gatherer of feedback, great idea shini :p) If there's trouble with the guy the thread will quickly receive 'no' votes (keep in mind, people always complain before they admit something is right, look at politics etc)

Ideally the thread will receive some positive feedback and yes votes THERE DONT HAVE TO BE MILLIONS OF VOTES FOR THIS TO WORK as with everything, not speaking up is the same as agreeing, but it does allow for everyone to voice his opinion. The GoF then, after a week or enough votes, deletes the thread and sorts the membership of the new member.

This is basicly what has been suggested already but puts much less responsibility and work in the hands of the GoF, and saves denger from making the recruitment threads which he hates so much ;)

[Shinigami]

How about...

1. Someone want to join. They play with us for a night in a squad (PS) group (WoW) or on the server (CS:S) for a night or something.
2. An officer invites them to the guild (PS and WoW)
3. The officer that invited starts a thread on the forum called: 'Recruit: Playername' where people can post feedback.
4. Renegades post feedback, even if it's just 'Good player, ok with me'

-- The recruit has to install and set up TS and register + post on the forum --

5. Unless people (or the officer himself) have well-founded negative feedback posted in the recruit thread, the recruit is invited after some time. Time needed depends on activity and how sure you are that they are RL material.

Would that work? There is no sponsor as such, but officers are responisble for the recruits they invite. WoW officers are moderators in the WoW recruit forum, PS officers are mods in the PS recruit forum etc., so they can delete the thread themselves, requiring no work from the admin.

[JojoTheSlayer]

Including alts we've had 73 players log in in Jan (http://www.planetsidestats.net/outfits.php?world_id=21&outfit_id=6508&sort=last_log) so far, so I reckon we could manage to reach the 7 votes we had before?

Are you saying that there never has been any problems getting enough peps to vote and that the org sponsorhip debate was just a construct? Because all I can see from youre post of numbers is that youre trying to say
"There isnt nor has been a vote/poll partisipation problem."


This sounds very similar to the way voting worked...

Just like a 4wd is simmilar to a 2wd there both cars, but not tottaly the same.
Like you said its simmilar to the voting system where it lets more peps take part, but apart from the voting system it takes away the cons of that peps MUST take part, the need for moderators to nag about peps not taking enought part and it also takes away the need for a moderator to start and suppervise the thread as the poster.

What it comes down to is that we would need less peps or certen peps ( Fusion ) to get the same job done while beein open for everyone that wants to take part. Everyone that wants to Sponsor peps can, whitin reason ofC (not real life freinds...etc), and you can state that you are hes sponsor in hes "wanting to join" thread.

[JojoTheSlayer]

...Would that work? There is no sponsor as such, but officers are responisble for the recruits they invite. WoW officers are moderators in the WoW recruit forum, PS officers are mods in the PS recruit forum etc., so they can delete the thread themselves, requiring no work from the admin.

Peps first contact whit the outfit is mostly getting a recruit invite to the outfit that way... its after the recruit post hes "hello" thread the sponsor system, just like the voting system did before, comes into play. This is becuase like it has alwayes been every member has to be reg on the forum...

Idealy officers will take the roll of sponsors more often than most, but I realy dont I see the pros in limiting the possible sponsors to officers only. Even Renegades can be good sponsors ya know :).

[Flufball]

The problem I can see, is we are still thinking on it from purely a mmo style of play. Sponsorship can work in that, but It wont work in games like HL2 or CSS, and to a certian extent neither will voting.

The problem lies in how a clan rather than an outfit/guild works, a clan is far more focused on playing competivily (Baring multigaming comunities) rather than as a comunitiy, a guild is all on the same empier/species/server, whereas a clan is generaly alot smaller (Excluding big multigaming comunities, such as us and others), and because a clan is specificaly in small enclosed matches rather than nice open spaces and squads/guild groups/whatever of mmo's its hard to view how a player is apart from in public games which realy dont convey a sense of how he is.

A sponsorship system will not work for a fps, although it would work faster, and somewhat better in some ways than the voting system, it will still not work, as it requires a player to see how the potentioal recruit plays in a match, thus requiring him to be added to the clan roster (Some ladders have a 24 hour rule to prevent freelancing) well before any matches are played with him.

Voting suffers the same thing, although its advantages over sponsorship is everyone gets a say in what happens, but again, it will generaly be those who played with him in a match, if we have a rostor of more than 20 people, only about 4-8 will see this player in a match as most matches (Small games like CSS, UT/BF are differant somewhat) are 5v5 default.

For FPS's you realy need a hybrid system, if you wanted you could have it as a training squad, but this breeds a small level of elitism, not to mention it just doesnt look right, or simply a messabout squad which is in all ways the clan but just a differant name, this works more, as the main players get to meet the person, plus a messabout clan is great fun if you want pointless matches you wouldent get otherwise.

Although I cannot think of a system for a FPS that would be Ideal, I do have a small idea, we could set up a 2v2 clan, and delegate a sponsor/vote hybrid system, of said player Gets to sponsor the person, but we also have a vote for people to see what they think of the player, having 2v2s gives the feel of the match but allows just a sponsor, or another player if they wish to see how this person is play along side them.

[Echor]

Are you saying that there never has been any problems getting enough peps to vote and that the org sponsorhip debate was just a construct? Because all I can see from youre post of numbers is that youre trying to say
"There isnt nor has been a vote/poll partisipation problem."
No, you'll find if you read my other replies, that I do agree that there was a problem when numbers were low, just that at the moment our numbers are considerably higher than when we had that problem. When we had a problem, our online numbers were rarely enough to make half a squad at any given time?


This sounds very similar to the way voting worked...

Just like a 4wd is simmilar to a 2wd there both cars, but not tottaly the same.
Like you said its simmilar to the voting system where it lets more peps take part, but apart from the voting system it takes away the cons of that peps MUST take part, the need for moderators to nag about peps not taking enought part and it also takes away the need for a moderator to start and suppervise the thread as the poster.

What it comes down to is that we would need less peps or certen peps ( Fusion ) to get the same job done while beein open for everyone that wants to take part. Everyone that wants to Sponsor peps can, whitin reason ofC (not real life freinds...etc), and you can state that you are hes sponsor in hes "wanting to join" thread.
Thats why I offered an alternative that could work.

Simply when we had problems it was our fault, no one was really playing, we let it slide, at that time most of us though PS was going to die so we stopped trying, at this present time we have more active players (its been nice to be in fullish platoons this week) and the spirit is on the up, we recognise that we need to have more players, we just need to work out how to address that problem without getting into an argument.
I'd bet that Dengar/Fusion is following this and with his intimate knowledge of how to set up forums/permissions is disseminating all of this and perhaps can see something that is workable, meanwhile we are showing what we want, so that a mutally useful answer is found.

The system needs to be as simple as possible, not dependant on any single person to run it, and appear fair to all concerned

[Echor]

How about...

1. Someone want to join. They play with us for a night in a squad (PS) group (WoW) or on the server (CS:S) for a night or something.
2. An officer invites them to the guild (PS and WoW)
3. The officer that invited starts a thread on the forum called: 'Recruit: Playername' where people can post feedback.
4. Renegades post feedback, even if it's just 'Good player, ok with me'

-- The recruit has to install and set up TS and register + post on the forum --

5. Unless people (or the officer himself) have well-founded negative feedback posted in the recruit thread, the recruit is invited after some time. Time needed depends on activity and how sure you are that they are RL material.

Would that work? There is no sponsor as such, but officers are responisble for the recruits they invite. WoW officers are moderators in the WoW recruit forum, PS officers are mods in the PS recruit forum etc., so they can delete the thread themselves, requiring no work from the admin.

This is a method that I feel should be debated further, it looks clean and simple, I'd happily ditch the idea of voting for this :)

[Fusion]

How about...

1. Someone want to join. They play with us for a night in a squad (PS) group (WoW) or on the server (CS:S) for a night or something.
2. An officer invites them to the guild (PS and WoW)
3. The officer that invited starts a thread on the forum called: 'Recruit: Playername' where people can post feedback.
4. Renegades post feedback, even if it's just 'Good player, ok with me'

-- The recruit has to install and set up TS and register + post on the forum --

5. Unless people (or the officer himself) have well-founded negative feedback posted in the recruit thread, the recruit is invited after some time. Time needed depends on activity and how sure you are that they are RL material.

Would that work? There is no sponsor as such, but officers are responisble for the recruits they invite. WoW officers are moderators in the WoW recruit forum, PS officers are mods in the PS recruit forum etc., so they can delete the thread themselves, requiring no work from the admin. This is a method that I feel should be debated further, it looks clean and simple, I'd happily ditch the idea of voting for this :) Agreed.

I would prefer to see this as more of a transparent process, i.e. the thread stays where it is and anyone including the recruit if he is accepted can read it. I recomend that recruitment threads be posted in a community wide section so everyone is aware of what is going on -- new recruits are part of RL, not just a specific section.

Just going OT a moment:

If you see a post with insight/interesting suggestions/well thought out arguments (even if you disagree) please give the poster some positive reputation.

[Shinigami]

Don't you think people would be hesitant to bring up concerns if the recruit could read it?

[Fusion]

Possibly, but its an option - it resolves the problem of having to move threads about in case the recruit reads it and it hurts their feelings or whatever.

If someone is having to leave negative feedback though, I think it would be fair to say that the recruit probably isn't up to the job....

[Shinigami]

My suggestion circimvented the problem of having to move threads about by making all officers moderators in the recruitment forum, and having them delete the threads before PMing the admin about a forum upgrade for the recruit.

I don't know if it's possible to make someone a moderator in a subforum, but that would make it a lot easier for you Fusion. I see no point in keeping the thread after the recruit is admitted, if there is an issue that needs to be dealt with after the recruit has been admitted, we'll have to discuss it in the commanders office.

[Fusion]

I don't know if it's possible to make someone a moderator in a subforum, but that would make it a lot easier for you Fusion. I see no point in keeping the thread after the recruit is admitted, if there is an issue that needs to be dealt with after the recruit has been admitted, we'll have to discuss it in the commanders office. Adding moderators is no problem. But doing it this would save some bureaucracy. It saves worrying about having to move it somewhere just in case we might need it in the future, then who can read it.

Another option is to allow everyone but the user to add, edit and view his/her usernotes, and do things from there. However that doesn't allow polls so it would have to be strictly discussion based.

[Hincey]

IMO needs to be private ppl wouldnt say what they really think if they know the recruit could read it

[Daymare]

Now this is a fawking long thread which I only bothered to read the first two pages on, anyway it seems to me that the problem people have with voting (which I am very much for) is that it takes too long, and needs more people to know the player.. now what do I fail to see here? Isn't that the entire point?

if a player has not managed to get 8(?) votes before his trial his up, he clearly IS NOT active enough, meaning he really has no reason to be in this part of town eh? ;)

As for the extra work for you dengar, this I see as a potential problem, and if this is why you are against the voting system, I will be happy to help you with it.. no problem at all mate.

[Brask]

I was never much in favour of the voting thing. Bureaucracy is an issue and it gives new ppl who come here to play games and have fun a wrong impression, cause they might think we take things super serious.
Also, check the old "recruitment guidelines", that's almost as long and complicated as the constitution :p Need to be simplified a lot as well, I reckon.

Of course, new recruits must fullfil certain requirements, like discipline, forum activity and maturity, but I very much prefer the sponsorship system to make this check.

In any case, somebody needs to keep track of new recruits, of course.

Perhaps also add a mandatory + 1 week trial period where new recruits can be kicked without much explaination (in case there are internal complaints).

[TataLebuj]

How about...

1. Someone want to join. They play with us for a night in a squad (PS) group (WoW) or on the server (CS:S) for a night or something.
2. An officer invites them to the guild (PS and WoW)
3. The officer that invited starts a thread on the forum called: 'Recruit: Playername' where people can post feedback.
4. Renegades post feedback, even if it's just 'Good player, ok with me'

-- The recruit has to install and set up TS and register + post on the forum --

5. Unless people (or the officer himself) have well-founded negative feedback posted in the recruit thread, the recruit is invited after some time. Time needed depends on activity and how sure you are that they are RL material.

Would that work? There is no sponsor as such, but officers are responisble for the recruits they invite. WoW officers are moderators in the WoW recruit forum, PS officers are mods in the PS recruit forum etc., so they can delete the thread themselves, requiring no work from the admin.

Haven't finished everything yet, but this post sounded the best to me. We've already decided that we will have a "Recruiting" officer in PS. With that slot comes the duty of looking out for new talent. A side duty would be to post on the forums and give it a week. As players play with the individual more information will be gathered. If there's nothing majorly wrong with the player (and they have done the three simple things we ask : TS, Forums, Teamwork) then they are invited in by the Recruting officer.

If someone else (not the Recruiting guy) finds someone then they have a duty to PM the Recruitment officer the name of the player.

I'm more then willing to be the Recruitment officer, I love posting and I'm online fairly consistently. I will always be on Sunday's and I can usually haggle a few hours a week from the GF :D . If that is not enough time for this job, then I'd be interested in helping out the Recruitment officer.

EDIT : Just finished! I definitely think that this process needs to be hidden from the applicant. If there is an issue with the player, as stated above, some might feel hesistant about mentioning it if they know the person can read it. These are recruits trying to join our Clan, and we have no reason/need to be so open with them. Once they are in then they too will share our benefits. But until then they need to wait. Just my take on it.


Cheers,

[Fusion]

Haven't finished everything yet, but this post sounded the best to me. We've already decided that we will have a "Recruiting" officer in PS. With that slot comes the duty of looking out for new talent. A side duty would be to post on the forums and give it a week. As players play with the individual more information will be gathered. If there's nothing majorly wrong with the player (and they have done the three simple things we ask : TS, Forums, Teamwork) then they are invited in by the Recruting officer.

If someone else (not the Recruiting guy) finds someone then they have a duty to PM the Recruitment officer the name of the player.

I'm more then willing to be the Recruitment officer, I love posting and I'm online fairly consistently. I will always be on Sunday's and I can usually haggle a few hours a week from the GF :D . If that is not enough time for this job, then I'd be interested in helping out the Recruitment officer.

EDIT : Just finished! I definitely think that this process needs to be hidden from the applicant. If there is an issue with the player, as stated above, some might feel hesistant about mentioning it if they know the person can read it. These are recruits trying to join our Clan, and we have no reason/need to be so open with them. Once they are in then they too will share our benefits. But until then they need to wait. Just my take on it.
Good post Tata :) +1 rep for you

(This is kind of post you should be leaving reputation for guys)

Regarding deleting the threads after accepting the recruit:
Ok, say we make recruit threads in the Meeting Hall. What do we do with them after we're done with them? Do we delete them (i.e. gone forever without recourse) or move them somewhere? Assuming the latter, where? Who has acccess? Do we create another forum for them with a coresponding usergroup (more permissions to sort out) or password protect it? If and when it comes to giving the recruit access, do we go and delete the thread or should we put it somewhere else?

The reason why I was in favour of sponsorshipis that it doesn't require the questions above to answered... ;) Same goes for keeping posts in the open.

[Shinigami]

I think we can delete the threads, have we ever used one for something after the recruit has joined? If there are problems with a recruit, we can always discuss it in the commanders office (When we get one on the new forum ;) )

[TataLebuj]

I think we can delete the threads, have we ever used one for something after the recruit has joined? If there are problems with a recruit, we can always discuss it in the commanders office (When we get one on the new forum ;) )

Exactly. If there is a problem AFTER someone has joined, then its a problem for the Officers and Commanders. And there should/will be a place for them to discuss things privately (cough....commander's forum....cough).

So, let's get a vote up about this. We need to make sure the majority agree to the idea Shini came up with. Which is (and please correct me if I get it wrong):

Player requests/is asked to join. Renegade Recruitment officer receives PM (or takes the initial request) on the Players name. Recruitment officer posts a message in the Recruitment section (private side) of the <insertGameName> forum. Other Renegades post comments on the individual as they play with them. After a week, the Recruitment officer looks over the thread and post's whether or not the person has made the cut. Aslo the Recruitment officer will need to send a PM to Mod to change person's forum status if they are accepted.

Did I get this right? Maybe its better if Shini does another post called "Shini's Recruitment Idea" with some voting options. Then we can get a quick estimate as to the support for it.

Cheers,

[Shinigami]

Ok, I'll do it later

[Brask]

Tata/Shini, this sound fine. lets get it voted.

[ForakExertus]

Not to annoy anyone or something.. but i posted that well before shini did, then again, I can't be bothered to type a new thread so shini can do it :p

[Shinigami]

I just read through the thread and took the parts I thought sounded most reasonable Forak, I guess your suggestion must have been the best :)

I'm pretty busy with this here examn right now, so I'll do a proper writeup and start the thread in 2 days... unless someone else wants to?

[Vasquez]

ok, this is long enough i think. i say that all commanders/captains/guild officials etc vote on this. do we want:

sponsorship in some form
voting in some form
or a combination

then we can work out the details.

[Ludicrouse]

aaaaannnddd the thread goes full circle :rolleyes:

[TataLebuj]

Okay, I started a poll for this policy to go into effect. Poll will last 7 days. Please head there and vote.

Thanks to everyone who contributed, but especially Forak and Shini!!


http://forums.renegade-legion.org/showthread.php?t=119

Cheers,

[JojoTheSlayer]

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Add youre comments/ vote in that thread.

The Vote Thread (http://forums.renegade-legion.org/showthread.php?t=119)