Class and Download

[Vasquez]

Ok, first of all, I'm downloading WoW via bittorent. I've been downloading for about 48hours and it says the eta is 1 week and 2 days. Will this get shorter? How long did it take you? Because I can't wait that long.

Secondly, I have a 10 day trial key. Can I use the same character from that, in my 1 month free and/or vice versa?

Ok, now I need to choose a class. I want to be alliance, I know that. I have two vissions of my character:

A) A big, muscular guy with great big plate armour and a huge warhammer. Very strong, very hard to kill, good at killing.

B) A tall, but slim guy who wears little or no armour and a cloak and carries a sword. Godlike with a sword, good with a bow and some limited healing abilitils. Basicly I want him to be like Aragorn from LOTR.

For A I'm pretty sure a warrior is what I want.

For B, I'm not sure. A rouge sounds a bit like it, but I don't want him to be stealthy at all - I want him to stand up in a fight. A paladin also sounds a bit like it, but I don't want him to wear armour.

So, any advice on these?

Any tips for when I get into the game are also appreciated.

[Ludicrouse]

A. You wont find a guy that can take LOADS of damage and DEAL it back... Not possible... If you want a Tank then go Pally or Warrior

B. Pallys cant use bows... or any ranged weapon iirc.

TANK: 1st Warrior 2nd Pally 3rd Rogue
DMG: 1st Rogue 2nd Pally 3rd Warrior

[Carcass]

As far as i know!
Paladin´s can Use ONE kind of Dynamite as a throw-weapon...
But it must be in a later engineering stage,cause the ones i create at the moment.Iron cant use :(
Maybe he can now! Just reached 101 in engineering(So im going to my trainer,perhaps later this evening)One thing i for sure know is,that now i get to create Gogles :D

Cya All in-game ;)

[Vasquez]

So...Paladin?

[JojoTheSlayer]

If youre using Shareza for the Bit torrent file, like I said you could ;), I would change to Azureus since that more or less dubbled my transer speeds on most files after testing it. I thinks its mainly becuse Azureius has more options and "tricks" buildt in for .torrent since its a torrent only program. Also whit Azureus make sure the light turns green after about 5mins downing or else youre router or firewall isnt configuerd right and that slowes dowing speeds :) GL.

http://azureus.sourceforge.net/

Edit:
Also dont forget to configure youre transfer correctly :)
Azureus_Tools_Options_Transfer (Change options and press Save)
The two top boxes setts the max down and upload.... on torents its no sence setting upload to zero( as in low settings not unlimited :) ) since then if everyone did that noone would get anything and also at zero it will probaly LOWER youre downing speeds.

A 80% down and 50% up of youre totaly down/up bandW is a good setup since then you will still be able to surf etc at good speed.

Eg:
(Kb/8=KB)
My Connection:
1024kb/256Kb to 80%/50% = Transfer Upload 16 KB and 100(102.4) KB Download...Which are the numbers I putt in those two option boxes.

[Flensor]

Tauren Shamen for the win.

Has Mail Armour at lvl 40 has a 2 handed weapon skill and when used in conjunction with some of the higher Enhancement Talents its possible to crit upto 1000dmg at a rate of upto 30% at lvl 60.

Plus the class has some really good dots and totems ... But slow and the least mp efficient heals.

Hey but you cant have everything. :p

Check this vid out as proof .... sorry about the converluted links btw :rolleyes:

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=420

[Vasquez]

Flensor?! *hugs Flensor's balding peon head*

Hmmm.... I don't fancy Tauran. I'd like to be human or, at a stretch Elven.

Btw, is there any limitation on interaction between races within sides? I mean, can a human and an elve (or elf?) interact in exactly the same way as 2 humans?

Can Paladins use hammers? Do Paladins have any offensive/defensive spells, or just healing?

Are there any plans for housing in WoW?

[Nikodemus]

2 sides. Allience and horde.

Allience races (who can all play together np) :
Humans
Dwarves
Gnomes
Elves

Horde (-||-) :
Orcs
Forsaken (undead)
Tauren
Trolls

Most of us are playing allience on a PvE server.

Paladins have a mix of skills; they're somewhere inbetween the warrior and the priest. Generally considered a warrior with a bit less punch but a lot more survivability. They have some one-use-per-hour type invulnerability shields and that kind of stuff.

[Vasquez]

Sounds good, probably go with a Paladin then.

My g/f wants to play an elven hunter, she's never played an MMO before (or an RPG for that matter), is this a wise choice?

[Flensor]

Rogue is a simpler class that compliments the paladine very well.

My 2 cents

[Hincey]

Sounds good, probably go with a Paladin then.

My g/f wants to play an elven hunter, she's never played an MMO before (or an RPG for that matter), is this a wise choice?


I'm only a nubin (lvl22 NE Hunter) there is quite alot of micro management involved in keeping it feed and making sure it doesnt aggro a group ect.

So i'd Say rogue, thats what rebels playin so it must be easy mode :D

[Gromagrim]

Both play Priests. And while your at it, see if your freinds, familt or neighbours would like to start a priest as well.

Did I meantion we were short of Healers?

[Porthos]

Both play Priests. And while your at it, see if your freinds, familt or neighbours would like to start a priest as well.

Did I meantion we were short of Healers?

I think u forgot to mention we are short of healers Groma.. btw.. whats a priest? :confused:

[GuardianAnge1]

Now, i KNOW what Hinceh is going to say, but I'll just slay him before he does. I've just ordered WoW off Amazon and will start playing in the near future. If Hinceh can go from hating it to loving it more then his genatelia, then I reckon that I should give it a go. Lord knows, I played beta, and it looks much better now then it did then.

Question is, what to go for. Counting that most people are playing PvE, I guess I'll go there. Next choice is Allience vs. Horde. Since I want to play with the majority, I guess I'll be going Allience. I have the same nubbish wants as Vasqez - I want to be preferably human, and have a huge fookin sword. Bow and arrow might also be quite fun (go leggy!).

What set up should I go for. I dont mind wearing armour, but I don't want to be too slow. I'd prefer to go for speed then strengh, unless that's a bad idea.

Just mold me to what is best/needed.

Thanks guys

[Flufball]

Now, i KNOW what Hinceh is going to say, but I'll just slay him before he does. I've just ordered WoW off Amazon and will start playing in the near future. If Hinceh can go from hating it to loving it more then his genatelia, then I reckon that I should give it a go. Lord knows, I played beta, and it looks much better now then it did then.

Question is, what to go for. Counting that most people are playing PvE, I guess I'll go there. Next choice is Allience vs. Horde. Since I want to play with the majority, I guess I'll be going Allience. I have the same nubbish wants as Vasqez - I want to be preferably human, and have a huge fookin sword. Bow and arrow might also be quite fun (go leggy!).

What set up should I go for. I dont mind wearing armour, but I don't want to be too slow. I'd prefer to go for speed then strengh, unless that's a bad idea.

Just mold me to what is best/needed.

Thanks guys


Similar Needs formyself till I tried Dwarfs, Hunter = Win, and the accents crack me up, for some of them its like someone tried to do scottish and then decided halfway through that they wanted irish.

However the scenery around IronForge is beuatiful, may not be realistic, but damn it looks good.

PvP Grasps me more than PvE at the moment for the sole ideas of raiding, PvE dosent have it in the same way as well. (Incidentaly, Invite Grimbeard (ME) into the PvE guild please :p). I'm going to have to find some sort of cunning way to lead a mass raid to IronForge so that I can claim it as my own.

[Vasquez]

Will Battlegrounds bring good PvP to PvE or are they gonna be a bit shit?

I'll see what she says about priest... Do female priests look sexeh?

[Flufball]

Will Battlegrounds bring good PvP to PvE or are they gonna be a bit shit?

I'll see what she says about priest... Do female priests look sexeh?

I've no idea, if they Do I'll be developing my PvE character at a far greater pace, but at the moment PvE doesnt captivate me as much as it did before I bought the game.... Might be because I'm on my own (Invite ffs).

[Nikodemus]

for the sole ideas of raiding
There are no difference between PvE and PvP raiding tbh.

You form up the zerg, go hit the enemy town and kill the NPCs. During the next 5 minutes the rumour spreads among the enemy and their zerg starts turning up. After 45 minutes of slideshow everybody gets bored and goes home ... same for both servers as far as I can see. *shrug*

[Nikodemus]

Fluff:
Assuming you're on Silvermoon - send a tell to ...
Iron
Nikodemus
Kaldor
Rebel
Gromagrim

We can all invite you to the guild.

[Flufball]

Fluff:
Assuming you're on Silvermoon - send a tell to ...
Iron
Nikodemus
Kaldor
Rebel
Gromagrim

We can all invite you to the guild.

Will-Do. As for raiding, fair enough, I shall be using both anyway...

Do you guys ever actualy use teamspeak? As I never see you online anymore....

[Nikodemus]

edit: not good in public Nikodemus. :D
IF you want to tell ppl the IP and pass of the TS server send them a PM plz. :D

Ironman

Edit:
Then make a private WoW area already, darnit =)

[Hincey]

This bit's public isnt it?

if so might wanna move it to a private area

[GuardianAnge1]

alright, installing the game now (doing it on my mac first to see how it handles.) The question now comes to which Race/Class to go for. PvE has most players, and since they're all on Alliance, I'll go that way. In beta, I played as night elf, which was okay, but didnt like it too much. So its either Human, Dwarfs and Gnomes. They all look quite fun.

It seems as if RL are lacking priests, so i wouldnt mind going that way as long as its fun. Otherwise, I just want to have a pet that I can fly.

Recommendations?

[Hincey]

As Grom said, we need more healers !!!!!


Go for a class that can heal IMO

but its your choice :p

[Vasquez]

My girlfried says she'll be a priest - provided she can be a good looking, female elf :P

I'm gonna be a paladin, and they can heal, right?

[Nikodemus]

I'm gonna be a paladin, and they can heal, right?
They sure can. If specced and equipped for the job, better than priests.

[Fusion]

Niko is that a bug or by design?

What are the benefits of taking a Priest over a Paladin?

[Peete]

Instant cast on healing spells ?
More mana by default ?
I'de like to know as well :)

[Nikodemus]

Well, there are pros and cons - but seriously: a paladin built for the job can fill the role as primary instance healer just as well as the priest. As for well-formed raids the paladins are in fact the best at keeping the tanks alive, while the priests are the best at keeping everybody else alive (i.e. prayer of healing when there's area of effect spam etc.).

Let's start with that mana pool which is the first thing everyone will say the paladin has none of.
If you compare a level 60 paladin with no gear on to a level 60 priest with no gear on:
- the paladin has ~600 health more than the priest
- the priest has ~600 health more than the paladin

The rest of the mana difference that you usually see (between a normal caster priest and a normal melee paladin) is purely because of choice of gear. "Normal" paladins, so to speak, pick +str and +sta in their gear, while priests pick +int, +spi and +sta.
That does not mean that a paladin cannot wear +int gear, though. In fact, a paladin has a lot more int gear to choose between.
Priests can wear cloth. That's it.
Paladins can wear cloth, leather, mail and plate. Which actually does mean that a paladin has a lot more possibilities to choose between, and can get just as much - if not more - +intellect in his gear than the priest can. He might have to sacrifice some potential armor by wearing lower-grade items (i.e. cloth over plate) - but if build to heal, mana should be more important than armor class.
But let's just say that first off, the healerdin decides to use a shield instead of a +int/+spi off hander. Second off, he picks a few items with lower +int in order to get more armor.
That moves the mana pool difference from 600 to say 1000 points.

So now:
Priest has 1000 more mana (~7000 with top end gear)
Paladin has 600 more life, 2000 more armor

There's some things on top of that that erodes the mana difference between the two, namely ...
- paladin healing is overall more mana efficient
- the paladin gets a free critical heal every 2 minutes (more about that below)
- the paladin does not draw anywhere near as much aggro with healing, thus does not need to spend 300 mana on fade a couple of times every tough fight

In the end, I think they can dish out about the same number of hit points worth of healing over a fight.

That's mana ... moving on to the spells:
When it comes to healing the main tank in a group [given a competent group where the MT gets to do his job] ... direct, single-target heals are what gets the job done.

The priest gets greater heal and flash heal. Greater heal is very mana efficient, but with two downsides.
1) it's HUGE. 2900+ points of health healed (highest rank). This means that in order to actually get all the health the priest pays mana for, he has to wait 'till the tank has taken a considerable amount of damage before casting it. Overhealing 500+ points throw the mana efficiency out the window.
2) it's SLOW. 4 second base cast time, or 3.5 seconds if the priest has spent 30 points in the holy tree.

Those two things combined create the main problem:
Click the button early and you may very well overheal and waste mana.
Click the button late and the tank drops dread before the spell finishes.
It's not a problem at level 40. Not at all - greater heal rules supreme through Uldaman and Zul'Farrak ... maybe also Sunken Temple. I'll give it that.
But when you get to BRD and BRS ... damage becomes inconsistent. It starts varying a lot. When mobs start spiking in damage due to high-damage criticals, insane mortals strikes and the like, predicting when to fire the greater heal ... well, it feels like the lottery.
From personal experience against The General in BRD, for example:
Gromagrim (level 60, protection specced, high stamina, good gear, shield) at 80% health when I pressed the button. He was at 50% when the heal landed and sent him up to 100% (and overhealed 1000+ points, waste of mana). When he was at 80% again I clicked again ... and during the next 4 seconds the general scored a crit special attack while Grom didn't block/dodge/parry anything, so he died before the spell landed. That's how unpredictable it gets, and why a faster heal is so much more valuable.
Another annoying thing about greater heal is that it's simply just too big to fit the health bar of a mage or rogue (not to mention they tend to go down so far that the casting time is too long).

Next, there's flash heal.
It's very simple, flash heal is a lot smaller and faster than greater heal (1.5 second cast), which makes it a lot easier to use. The problem is that it costs around 35% more mana per point of health healed - which leads to the priest going out of mana well before the fight is over.

Now let's get to the paladin.
Holy light with ... I think 14 talent points (have to check) in total and blessing of light active, compared to a fully beefed up priest greater heal (30 talent points)

- 2.5 second cast time, thus easier to use
- Smaller than GH, thus easier to use
- Slightly better mana efficiency (a few %)
- Slightly worse healing over time (a few %)
- 70% chance of not losing casting time when taking damage (compared to 0% for priest)
- Creates 1/3rd the aggro per point of health healed

Also, included in those 14 talent points the paladin gets this:
-100% mana cost, +100% crit chance on next spell. 2 minute cooldown.

For 21 talent points in discipline (i.e. other then the 30 needed to boost up healing spells) the priest gets this:
-100% mana cost, +25% crit chance on next spell. 5 minute cooldown.

So quite simply: the paladin single target, direct heal pwns the feck out of both the priest counterparts. Less prone to error, more health for the mana, not nearly as likely to draw aggro etc.
Not to mention the spell's smaller size and faster cast makes it a lot more viable then GH for healing "softies".

Now, moving on to what the priest gets that the paladin doesn't (in terms of healing):
- prayer of healing. Here's the major priest advantage - a group heal. The situations where it's actually needed (i.e. 3+ people in the 5-man group are wounded and still taking damage) are quite rare, but when they do occur, PoH is awesome.
- renew. Heal over time spell ... which is nice, but really not crucial.
- power word:shield. Instant cast, adds a shield that absorbs the next XXX points of damage the target takes. This is definitely a big plus for the priest - the mana efficiency is downright horrible, but being able to give someone 900 extra hit points instantly (highest rank) is a good thing in a pinch. The paladin does get a few instant cast panic things (lay on hands, invul shield) to cast on others, but they're timered.

So overall ... I'd say the paladin may be a 1-trick pony when it comes to healing, but that 1 trick is just downright awesome. Where the priest gets a lot of tools, but first off lacks a really good direct heal spell and second off generates so bloody much aggro (while not being able to take hits).

Oh, one thing to add:
It takes as good as the full 51 talent points to boost up priest healing properly.
A paladin can do that for 14 points ... then spend the last 37 points on melee stuff and have a set of melee gear as well, thus being able to fill either the main tank or the primary healer spot in an instance group, simply by swapping equipment.

Which is exactly what I'd like to do on my first alt char ... just wanna' get my priest up high first so I can start buying all the +int plate on the AH for him =)

[Fusion]

Wow

I think you should post that on the Blizzard forums, with a bit of luck a Thundgot might notice it and pass it on to for the dev team to evalutate...

[Flufball]

Wow

I think you should post that on the Blizzard forums, with a bit of luck a Thundgot might notice it and pass it on to for the dev team to evalutate...

Ah the legion, back to what they're doing best, whoring the local forums :P

[Vasquez]

If you're posting on the WoW forums, ask them to make a SHEEP PET!

btw, are there sheep in WoW?

[Ironman]

Niko you forgot one thing.

The Paladin has a blessing that he can put on an other player and that will add some extra healing points when healing. :D

I might go that way just to test it out. The main problem though is ppl expect a Paladin to be a good tank i.e. hold agro and deal a good amount of damage.

I've tried both ways. Being a good tank spec.'ed for agro and damage. I can do that just fine. And I've also tried to focus some more on healing and I can do that as well. BUT I can't do both.

So if I can get a good warrior like Budmonkey or Gromagrim to really hold agro and kill the mobs I'd like to test it out. That way we might switch place Niko? You go for some heavy "Dark side" damage and I'll stay on the healing path, what do you think, possible?

[GuardianAnge1]

The problem with paladins are those big hammers that they carry. I was thinink about going gnome-mage but still have no clue.

I'll go whatever Vasq goes - dont really mind anything thats not too plain.

Here's a question:

I want my name to be Rumplestitchkin which is too long :( I can fit in Rumplestitch which isnt really the best... can anyone think of good shorter renditions?

[Nikodemus]

@Fusion:
There was a VERY nice, indepth post about this in the official "feedback on the priest"-thread not long ago on the official forums. Still waiting for the dev response, but they should know it.
I don't think they'll be doing a lot about it to be honest - as such it's good that more classes can do the healer job, having a priest shouldn't be a requirement just to do an instance.
The reason why paladin heal aggro is low is that ... well, imagine how easy it would be to tank for a pally if he generated as much healing aggro as a priest. Get 4 mobs on him and just keep healing himself ... he'd generate more multi-target aggro that way then a warrior could ever do - while keeping his health up.

@Iron:
That was with blessing of light factored in. Without it, the paladin healing becomes less mana and time efficient then greater heal, but it's still better then flash heal.
Still - if I go for this I'll probably just keep light on the main tank (who's the one needing the healing) and mainly salvation on the rogues, mages etc.
And ... you can probably do both things, actually. Check the healing tree ... it's 14 talent points tops you need for top notch healing. Even for a normal tank build I'd definitely get the crit heal every 2 mins thing, that's just too plain awesome to pass by.

Anyways, I'm just hoping the upcoming priest changes will include something neat ... like an improvement on the "master healer" talent (currently cuts GH cast time from 4 to 3.5 secs - 30 talent points to get).

[Fusion]

If you're posting on the WoW forums, ask them to make a SHEEP PET!

btw, are there sheep in WoW? LOL! A sheep pet might make it in as a rare drop... definately worth suggesting :)

Yes there are sheep in WoW, sometimes if you kill them and skin them you get wool instead of leather :)

[Vasquez]

Omg...my g/f will actually flip. When she's palying (about a month's time) NOBODY is to kill a sheep near her.

She loves sheep if you hadn't guessed.

[Oselly]

Well im gunna have to buy the game i guess as it does look good, ill probably be a night elf either druid/hunter/rogue as its the sort of character i like to play in games like this, huge fan of morrowind and it should be good, just need to find a way to fork out thwe cash for it, shouldnt be too long, assuming nobody has a free trail thing going for me to try out
Os

[GuardianAnge1]

well, i played for a bit on paladin, and liked it, but since I was changing my name, I had a go with Hunter and liked it too. I sorta want to be ranged, especially if I'm going to be playing with vasq, it would be useful.

In short, someone tell me if i should be either a dwarf hunter or a dwarf paladin.

[Peete]

If you go for paladin, don't go for a dwarf imo, because some of the dwarves Racial Traits are not really good for paladins:

Stoneform - active
Activate to gain immunity to poison, disease, and bleed + 5% AC bonus - lasts 20 sec - 3 min cooldown
Paladins have a spell to cure poisons/diseases

Gun Specialization - passive
Dwarves get +5 to Gun Skill

Paladins cant use ranged weapons

[Carcass]

Why not both???
Im playing a lot of diff. chars!
The only "down-thing" is im lvl. to slow (sort of speak) but im not so concerned about it,cause most of the legion are way ahead of me anyway :)
So im playing for the joy of nature and surrondings + Quests hehehe...
And get there(lvl.50+)when i get there ;) +my familia like to see me(cant see why,but they do :eek: )

[GuardianAnge1]

i'd prefer to work on only one until i get to a higher level. I've just got to lvl 5 with my hunter and am stuck - i like it, but i feel that paladins are kinda more fun... its a tuff decision..