TeamSpeak

[Fusion]

As PariaH's TS server is no longer reliable, I suggest we perminently move to the backup server provided by Kampfkartoffel.

I recomend we set the channels out like this:

Lobby (default channel)
Counter-Strike

Squad A
Squad B

EVE
PlanetSide

Squad A
Squad B

World of Warcraft PvE

Party A
Party B

World of Warcraft PvP

Party A
Party B


We can add and remove sub-channels as and when we need them.

We might want to consider making registration a requirement like on the 58thAD server.

[JojoTheSlayer]

Pariahs is none the less better I think when there are allot of peps on. Dont know if you guyes on adsl notice it, but I and modem peps like me do...
Full platoons on Kamps is just unplayable for me.

Couldnt we ask Pariah for bit more access or a auto reboot script?

Also I think we will lose the abiltey to "hoste" big 2x platoons like we have done a few times on NC werner TS.

The recruitment we get from peps seeing that oure TS channel on NC werner we will also lose.

**

Youre setup looks good btw and you mean PvP and PvE right? :D
You could doh add a room for "Other Games".

Server pass to join sounds smart if its not gonna be a NC werner clone.


Jojo.

[Fusion]

Pariahs is none the less better I think when there are allot of peps on. Dont know if you guyes on adsl notice it, but I and modem peps like me do...

Full platoons on Kamps is just unplayable for me. I find it hard to believe that Kampfs server transmits extra data when they are both set to use the same codecs. The only difference is when multiple people are talking at once and it ups the ammount of bandwidth being used. Couldnt we ask Pariah for bit more access or a auto reboot script? Don't see why not, although you will soon discover he can be a little ellusive at times :)
Also I think we will lose the abiltey to "hoste" big 2x platoons like we have done a few times on NC werner TS. Well we can always upgrade the server if we find we regularly need the additional slots.
The recruitment we get from peps seeing that oure TS channel on NC werner we will also lose. I don't think we got much in the way of recruits from hosting the NCWA who are still with us today :)
Youre setup looks good btw and you mean PvP and PvE right? :D
You could doh add a room for "Other Games". Fixed. I think you'll find that the for majority of the time we won't need the extra channels. If we have enough Server and Channel Admins, we can just add and remove them as and when they are needed. No point in having additional clutter :)
Server pass to join sounds smart if its not gonna be a NC werner clone. Yep. It will help reduce the number of script kiddies trying the various lame social engineering exploits to gain Server Admin access. One thing I thought was interesting on the 58thAD server: if you are not registered, you cannot change out of the default channel. That would definately promote getting everyong registered on the TeamSpeak server.

[One Armed Scissor]

we want a garry mod channel!

[JojoTheSlayer]

1.Don't see why not, although you will soon discover he can be a little ellusive at times :)



2.Well we can always upgrade the server if we find we regularly need the additional slots.


1. Are you still trying or beeing a bit more lade back on getting NCW back up considering you want Kamps as new main server? No offence, but I consider it a fair question when you still havent putt up the voted in recruitment rules because you youreself think there to complicated...

2. That costs money. I realy dont think peps will be willing to pay more for something that we maby use once a month.

Another thing is that right now Kamp is a part of RL. What if he leaves and then tells us hes taking the TS server whit him? Yes, we could pay for oure own IF we have enough peps willing to pay IN THE LONG RUN, but you have to admit when it comes to the money issue that Pariahs server is more stable.

If we could just send Pariah some copy/paste ts reboot code or whatever so he didnt have to do the work I realy think Pariahs server is a better choice when everything is added up. Both for RL and NC.

[Kampf]

if i leave rl u can go on using it couse justin, echor and opiece said that they would pay if i can't pay it anymore. so thats no problem.
but if u have a lower ping, and the other server sends less data u should use the old one of course.
i don't care at all about wich ts server u use, but u listed some advantiges on the old one, so u should use that one couse its better for u all.
but it's up to you.




what is a gerrymodchannel?

[Brask]

last night with +25 ppl the current TS server kinda went down.

So, what is the plan? Pariah's server is out of question I would say, as we just cant rely on :|

[Kampf]

was was the prob with my tsserver?

[Fusion]

Are you still trying or beeing a bit more lade back on getting NCW back up considering you want Kamps as new main server? No offence, but I consider it a fair question when you still havent putt up the voted in recruitment rules because you youreself think there to complicated... What I am saying it is very difficult to contact PariaH, so me not being able to get in contact with him is not me "being lade back".

The whole point of the thread is to move us to a server we know is more reliable. As for the recruitment rules, I fail to see their relevance in this thread. That costs money. I realy dont think peps will be willing to pay more for something that we maby use once a month. As before the whole point of this thread is to discuss whether we should make Kampf's server the primary TeamSpeak server. Yes, we could pay for oure own IF we have enough peps willing to pay IN THE LONG RUN, but you have to admit when it comes to the money issue that Pariahs server is more stable. Considering we are getting PariaH's server for free we cannot complain when it goes down. However the old saying "you get what you pay for" rings true. If we want a reliable server, we will have to use one that is being paid for by us. If we could just send Pariah some copy/paste ts reboot code or whatever so he didnt have to do the work I realy think Pariahs server is a better choice when everything is added up. Both for RL and NC. Like I said, YOU talk to him about it.

[Fusion]

if i leave rl u can go on using it couse justin, echor and opiece said that they would pay if i can't pay it anymore. so thats no problem.
but if u have a lower ping, and the other server sends less data u should use the old one of course.
i don't care at all about wich ts server u use, but u listed some advantiges on the old one, so u should use that one couse its better for u all.
but it's up to you. Your sever is fine Kampf, I know we can rely on it and I would prefer to use it. what is a gerrymodchannel? This is Garry Mod (http://www.garry.tv/garrysmod/).

[Daymare]

i have a feeling most people like to use pariahs server out of habbit (me included), and out of security. No offence what so ever to you kampf, but I feel more secure on that huge server, with sterile names, than on yours with some random comments added to them.

It is not that I do not trust kampf, it is more that I like the security of pariahs server. Even though it goes down in a while. I think the best solution WOULD be if we could get a higher level of acess to the external reboot system so we can reboot it on the run, however, if this is not possible, I agree that kamp's server is a better choice.

[Prince]

why is pariah hard to get a hold of? cant you ask his phone number?

[Hincey]

i have a feeling most people like to use pariahs server out of habbit (me included), and out of security. No offence what so ever to you kampf, but I feel more secure on that huge server, with sterile names, than on yours with some random comments added to them.

It is not that I do not trust kampf, it is more that I like the security of pariahs server. Even though it goes down in a while. I think the best solution WOULD be if we could get a higher level of acess to the external reboot system so we can reboot it on the run, however, if this is not possible, I agree that kamp's server is a better choice.


There is no security issue at all IMO anyway, and if there was we'd be better off in Kampfs server cos it's actually got a PW and Pariahs aint

@ Kampf it has been gettin a bit laggy when alot of ppl are on and there is that little bug/prob with ppl not being able to get into the CS chan.

[JojoTheSlayer]

What I am saying it is very difficult to contact PariaH, so me not being able to get in contact with him is not me "being lade back".


Point is:
If no ones tries to get NCW TS back up it probaly never will... ergo only leaves Kamps and it becomes main.

Doesnt he have a phone? Have you ever asked if it was possible to add some reboot code,...its not a new issue when it comes to NCW, or if you/someone else could get more access to the TS server considering he dosent use it?


Like I said, YOU talk to him about it.


For one I hardly know the guy and havent seen him since he went to Linage II. Second I dont have hes email and it isnt aviable. Third I dont know jack aboout scripting... if I did I would probaly have posted the suloution already.
But if it is possible I think it would be a better choice than setting Kamps as main, for size, bandW, less lag (routing - Isp who knows why),money and NC as a whole.

[kataya]

mmmm let me reply on this. I pm'ed pariah on our old lineage2 refugees board and he responded there yesterday so hes still alive :P

had the following reply from him about the TS server:

"tried to look at server today couldnt log on remotely , might even be my free 2 years is up ^^ , will have to check the dates but it has been a while since i first got the server - rtcw era"

now for the other thing: Pariah's ts server used GSM codec 16.4/14.8
Kamps uses the highest codecs possible(speex codec)and they use more bandwith(no offense to kamps)

kat

[Brask]

hehe Kat, nice to see you back in RL (even if its only EVE ;) )

[Fusion]

If no ones tries to get NCW TS back up it probaly never will... ergo only leaves Kamps and it becomes main. Again I iterate that the point of this thread is to discuss if we should make Kampf's server our permiment home as we can't rely on PariaH's server to be up when we need it.
Doesnt he have a phone? Have you ever asked if it was possible to add some reboot code,...its not a new issue when it comes to NCW, or if you/someone else could get more access to the TS server considering he dosent use it? I don't know if he has a phone and I'm unlikely to find out as I have repeated he can be difficult to get in contact with. For the record, I [post=2039]have[/url] asked if a restart script was possible.

I fail to see how you can think that server X is better because it hosts more people but goes down more frequently than an elevator with serviced resumed within a few days. Whereas we have another server that has so far proven to be reliable and is being provided by for free by an active member of the community. He has said if we need to add more slots to it, there are many community members who have stated they are willing to contribute to those added costs. I think it is fairly clear which one is a better choice at the moment.

[Fusion]

mmmm let me reply on this. I pm'ed pariah on our old lineage2 refugees board and he responded there yesterday so hes still alive :P

had the following reply from him about the TS server:

"tried to look at server today couldnt log on remotely , might even be my free 2 years is up ^^ , will have to check the dates but it has been a while since i first got the server - rtcw era"

now for the other thing: Pariah's ts server used GSM codec 16.4/14.8
Kamps uses the highest codecs possible(speex codec)and they use more bandwith(no offense to kamps) Doh! I forgot about the Refugees forum :) Still the news doesn't look to promising :(

The different codec will explain the lag that Jojo is suffering, we can temporarily reduce the quality of the codec until he gets broadband in a few days.

[Kampf]

i tell u sth. u all shut up, and when ncwa is back online u can start this again.

[Ironman]

Please help me understand this.

How come we have to pay for extra slots? Isn't it for free if you don't use it commercial?

NOTE 1: Authorized Teamspeak Host Providers (ATHPs) are entities that rent Teamspeak servers to others for profit. Profit can include, but is NOT limited to, receiving money, offering Teamspeak "at no extra cost to the customer" as an incentive to signing up for a game server, providing sponsorship of a voice server to an entity (free of charge) in return for advertising, etc. All ATHPs are billed in arrears based on usage information that is automatically tracked by our software. Invoices are generated on the 1st day of every month and are due on the 15th of every month. You must be licensed for a minimum slot count of 100 (resulting in a minimum $14 fee) in order to be considered an ATHP.

NOTE 2: Single Server Use Licensing is for entities that wish to use Teamspeak in a commercial environment but are NOT in the business of renting servers. This is a ONE-TIME license fee good for 1 year of free version updates as they are made available. After the 1 year period expires, you may continue using the existing version but will not be able to upgrade without a fee.

For more information on sales and licensing please visit our FAQ.

Teamspeak 2 ATHP::Usage Based/Tiered Pricing Price
ATHP Tiered Pricing TIERED
100-999 Slots $0.14
1000 - 2499 Slots $0.12
2500 - 4999 Slots $0.10
5000+ Slots $0.08

Teamspeak 2 Commercial::Single Server Use License Price
Enterprise License - Single Server Use - 25 Slots $29.95
Enterprise License - Single Server Use - 50 Slots $59.95
Enterprise License - Single Server Use - 100 Slots $99.95
Enterprise License - Single Server Use - 250 Slots $199.95

Non-Profit Organizations

If you host a Teamspeak server strictly for non-profit AND you are not a commercial entity then you will not be subject to licensing fees. Each physical server that qualifies as a non-profit organization cannot exceed 100 slots for all instances of Teamspeak running on that server. If more than 100 slots is detected by our automated tracking system, your server may be subject to review (or suspended) and you may be held liable for ATHP-based or Single Server Use-based licensing fees.

EXAMPLES OF NON-PROFIT ENTITIES:

An individual hosting a small Teamspeak server for their online gaming clan using their home Cable/DSL connection for non-profit.

An individual that rents a dedicated server from a hosting company but does NOT ask for fees from clan members AND does NOT rent or share space to others for profit.

A church or other non-profit organization hosting a free Teamspeak server for online bible study discussions.

A school hosting a free Teamspeak server that allows students to receive help with homework for their classes online.

To me this means we only have to pay for it if we charge ppl for using it or exceed 100 slots.

[Echor]

Ironman, the paying for extra slots isn't anything to do with licensing the software, its to do with the extra bandwidth and cpu power on the server thats needed to cope if I remember correctly

[Echor]

The different codec will explain the lag that Jojo is suffering, we can temporarily reduce the quality of the codec until he gets broadband in a few days.
I'm sure you'll find that the codec and bandwidth are independant of each other?

That is speex @ 16kbps will use the same bandwidth as gsm @ 16kbps?

Therefore lowering the bps will reduce bandwidth useage?

The other problem is that some codecs use more cpu time than others, which can either lag the server or the client depending on the hardware?

[justinalot]

If your worried about TS bandwidth it uses 4kb a sec

[Echor]

If your worried about TS bandwidth it uses 4kb a sec
Justin you've been reading Douglas Adams again haven't you?

[Kampf]

I tell u sth. you are confusing me, so i make it like this i will not read any ts posts again, and see wether u go on using my server or if some1 tells me another ip for the new mainserver in game.
i really don't care i just want it to be in europ, so that i have not a shitping.

so just tell me the ip if u decide to get a new server, or keep using my one.

[Fusion]

Kampfs is a rented server like the Jolt server which has to be paid for. If we want extra slots we need to pay more money for it.

Kampf I fully intend to use your server as long as you are happy to provide it, so please don't worry mate :)

[One Armed Scissor]

ts NEEDS at least 6kbs a sec to send voice...unless im wrong, whitch i am alot but i dont think i am at this case... but the TS server has a decentish codec so it will be more

[JojoTheSlayer]

Kampfs is a rented server like the Jolt server which has to be paid for. If we want extra slots we need to pay more money for it.


Why?
Because Jolt is renting out the servers for profit ergo they as a company has to pay teamspeak for the licenses (prob has a groupe rabat or something, but the prinsipal is the same). While in the end you pay it through there server fees. So yes Iron, if you want a 100 slott TS server from a company like Jolt you must pay the Teamspeak licence fee, pluss what the company needs to compansate hardware cost and profit pr month. :)

[Ironman]

Kampfs is a rented server like the Jolt server which has to be paid for. If we want extra slots we need to pay more money for it.


Why?
Because Jolt is renting out the servers for profit ergo they as a company has to pay teamspeak for the licenses (prob has a groupe rabat or something, but the prinsipal is the same). While in the end you pay it through there server fees. So yes Iron, if you want a 100 slott TS server from a company like Jolt you must pay the Teamspeak licence fee, pluss what the company needs to compansate hardware cost and profit pr month. :)

See that I can understand. I just didn't know it was a rented one. That's why I had to ask. :D

[Daymare]

Ok, nr 1... why have I still not seen any of you bums on vt.slesk.com to test out ventrillo?
2: if you get ventrillo, I think mehepsk will be willing to run a server for us (only for rl, not for NCWA) I will talk to him about it on Vt in a few hours.

I will also talk to him about stability and stuff, and we will need to test out how well it works with a lot of people one (he has sdsl line of 2mbs up and down, so it should not be a problem. The question is how much of his bandwith he is willing to let go)

[Skullsmasher]

well we've got kampf's and ironman's TS-servers which i'd say should be enough.

As to the issue of lag on Kampfs server i've never had any probs here my self. Just happy to use it :)