CS:S Roster (Updated 06/01/05)

[Ludicrouse]

Fusion
Vasquez
Flufball
GuardianAnge1
Ludicrouse
ParadineHawk
Oselly
Hincey
Daymare
Jega
Budmonkey
Neraj
Paul-O



PLEASE only post here if you intend to play competitivley with [RL].

I want to get a good look at the actual size of the ClanMatch squad :)

[Fusion]

*cough*

[Jega]

Not really sure if I'm up for playing in every match, but I don't mind filling an empty slot once in a while if needed. But I do no not wanna take a spot from those that really wanna play. I never played a CS clanmatch before, so I don't know if it's something for me :)

[Daymare]

Need the practise, im in. But not as a regular methinks, more like a fillin like jega :P

[Budmonkey]

I'll play when ever selected, just get our practice times sorted :cool:

[Hincey]

i'm in, how about if we got enough ppl to make 2-3 squads so we can practise against each other?

Like a Vet Renegades Squad, Renegade A squad and Renegade B squad? just an idea.

[Ludicrouse]

Neraj pleadged his life for us earlier.... score one for [RL]

[Fusion]

Neraj pleadged his life for us earlier.... score one for [RL]
He has? Tell him to get his butt over here then :)

[Vasquez]

ive never played a clanmatch either. makes me nervous about being a vice captain. assuming real life dosnt get in the way i should be up for matches but i honestly dont know how well ill do. on good days im the best in the team, on bad days im the worst. my tactics often work against n00bs but i dunno how they work against TS-using professional teams (well, not REAL professionals but u know what i mean).
i dont think real lfie should be too much of a problem. with a large team like tat there will always be 4 ppl who can make it.

[Flufball]

Why is everyone so bloody nervous about matches? For those of us playing when I was leading the other night (with some suprisingly good results) its preaty much like that, although it requires you to think a bit where you're opponent will be, and adding little extras always helps (Such as me telling you to drop off the bridge if you get shot to fook, only to see me do this and miss the water thus dieing from the fall :P)

[Vasquez]

because:

other clans > RL

in terms of pure headshot-ing skill. take evo for example. when we play against them, we get pwned. i mean i was top on the RL side and i had 18 kills for 24 deaths. the top guy on evo's side had 31 kills for 4 deaths :/

[Ludicrouse]

because:

other clans > RL

in terms of pure headshot-ing skill. take evo for example. when we play against them, we get pwned. i mean i was top on the RL side and i had 18 kills for 24 deaths. the top guy on evo's side had 31 kills for 4 deaths :/

Tbh... i cudnt give a fuck who we have faced!

Ive faught 100's of vanu in the early days of Lasher v2.0.

Ive had em spamming all the way to me and my squad... We never flinched... We never wavered... We fought... We died... We respawned.... We won... we grasped victory from defeat.

We are the baddest motherfuckers on the planet earth[auraxis - guardian]...


There is no equal....

[Flufball]

Two seconds later

Random n00b [headshot] Ludi

As for other clans being better than us? So what, when we first start playing we'll be more likely to be losing more games than we are winning for a while, till we all discover what we work good at.

The key, at the start, I have found, is not how good we do, but how well we take losing. If we can lose with good grace, and not sink to whinging, then we are doing fine.

Personal Skill in a public has little to do with how you play in a match, you could be the biggest solo killer ever, but if said person isn't working with his team it becomes a problem.

[Vasquez]

oh we're awesome at PS. we can organise things well and do things other cant. but we never did anything squad based. i mean, we could drop 3 gals of troops one after the other but we couldnt clear a room properly. this was our main weakness in PS IMO but wit wasnt a huge one. in CSS it is.
im sure we'll learn and all, but yeh, thats y im worried. because we'll undoubtedly get pwned in our early games and im worried ppl will feel humiliated and lose faith. i KNOW we're the badest motherfuckers in the galaxy, but its hard to keep that in mnid when you're 1 for 14 ;)

[Ludicrouse]

you're 1 for 14 ;)

At least it isnt a clean sweep ;)

[GuardianAnge1]

look --

if we stick together and all work together in CS, we will win. Those of you that were there - we were having a little 'bout with another clan on our server. It was us vs. them and we were on dust_2. We were CT and were loosing like 5/0. When i started saying where to go and giving orders, we didnt loose one round, the final score was like 5/11 or something.

This is the same everywhere. If we do our objective, stick together, and coordinate properly, like we can do, we WILL win.

you gotta have faith
faith
faith
you gatta have faith

[Budmonkey]

Agree with GA, as soon as somebody becomes vocal and calling the shots, things fall into place. We have seasoned players and guys that have picked the game up real fast, a nice mix ;)
As for worrying about playing matches, fuck that it's not going to bother me, if i get selected to play. Teams that are established will be more worried about getting beaten by a newb team, so just chill :cool:

[Hincey]

Teams that are established will be more worried about getting beaten by a newb team, so just chill :cool:


Wise words bud ;)

[Neraj]

Yep, give CS a few weeks and you should get trained for headshots (well hopefully only been playing 3 days after 2 yrs of no CS :( ). Some of you are playing PS while you play CS, thats fine, but it does slightly bugger up your aim in CS because you become too used to aiming at the chest.

One other thing, like some of you did point out, expect to lose... worst thing is to think your the best but get shot down... be moderate and we should be fine and gradually rise up the ladder :D

[Vasquez]

dont aim for the head. aim for the feet and squeeeeeze :D

[One Armed Scissor]

id like to play competitvely with RL... if i get good enuff

[One Armed Scissor]

i might not be able to do training tonight... i might be able to do some, i need to sort out this project for my enrichment at college, so ill have to talk to my mate about it on msn, they are usually online at that time, i probally will be there for about 30minutes

[Neraj]

Don't Pred play CS? I thought he would have loved the game?

Where are ya man! :D

[Ludicrouse]

He turns up when he wants lol

[InsanE]

13 members?? dont you think thats a bit of an overkill....from that 13 i think you should go down to 7 maybe 8 really commited players that are avaliable to play most of the time cos keeping track of 13 players can be quite tough

[Ludicrouse]

Obviously GA hasnt told you we are having 2 squads......

and 13 is not overkill... we are a big MMO group. Fact! (As Mr Brent would say)

[Flufball]

13 members?? dont you think thats a bit of an overkill....from that 13 i think you should go down to 7 maybe 8 really commited players that are avaliable to play most of the time cos keeping track of 13 players can be quite tough

You dont understand how things run around here, 10-12 of those players are from our MMO group, so everyone here preaty much knows whats going on, so its fairly easy to keep track. As well as that, we allready have an established comunitie, and thus when somthing like this comes on, its hardly fair to say yes to some and no to others simply for size reasons because some random person thinks 13 is to much. Although if you suggested adding an extra player to make it 14 rather than 13 for superstition reasons, I would understand :P

I'm still not happy about "Seperate squads" I think it over-complicates things and includes a layer of elitism that isn't needed.

[One Armed Scissor]

oh yeah n its not paulo ITS ONE ARMED SCISSOR

[Ludicrouse]

I'm still not happy about "Seperate squads" I think it over-complicates things and includes a layer of elitism that isn't needed.


If i get my way.... The Teams will be sorted by who plays well TOGETHER.

I want us to have 2 squads, and each squad have 1 match a week each.
Everyone gets a look in, everyone who is available will get a game....

Im not rating anyone on personal skills... This game isnt about that. Its about working as a team.

If JoJo for example does better in a squad with Hincey (Which he does) then id put him with hincey.... there is no elitism

[Hincey]

oh yeah n its not paulo ITS ONE ARMED SCISSOR

Yea and what a shit name too :D

@ Ludi totally agree mate think we proved that it aint about individual players really (to an extent) but its mainly teamwork IMO, by the friendly clan match we had, we played a round with us v them with a few randoms and we completly pwend em and all of their players were at the bottom of the score sheet except one.

But when it came to the real thing they pwned us i assume (had to go, wasnt there) it could only be down to their teamwork

my 2 cent

btw Paul i was only jokin

[GuardianAnge1]

hiiincey.. i have some quuaavers..

[Hincey]

Oi get urhands off those quavers you WMD gonna get Mr Bush on you :D

[InsanE]

i agree with fllufball i know from expierence that having more than one squad will lead to many conflicts, once your actually in a league you guys will eventually stop playing for fun and actually get real competitive and as soon as you see one of the squads do better than the other your gonna want to cut them since you obviously wanna get to the top of the ladder...even if you do have 2 squads you gonna have 3 extra subs...but then again its your clan do whatever floats your boat.

[Ludicrouse]

but then again its your clan do whatever floats your boat.


Yes it is.

I dont mean to sound harsh mate but like you said.


I expect someone who comes onto this forum, who originally is there for tactics, to be curteous and constructive with their critisism.

You are just nit picking and trying to convince us to do stuff (Such as decide who can and cannot play in clanmatches) that we dont feel comfortable doing.


I will never tell a single Renegade he cannot play because we have too many players already or because he lacks "Skill". This is a MMO Community. We dont order our members to do something and we dont stop them either.


If we need 2 squads we will have 2 squads. Who is to decide who will play and who will not.

Not u, not i!... NOBODY!


So if you dont like how things are run here.... just walk away.




Sorry again if it sounds harsh but your post offends what i think this Legion stands for!

[InsanE]

i think you misunderstood what i said. i didnt mean to sound as i want you to do something...it wasnt actually a criticsm if i were to criticise you i would have said having a 13 man line up is stupid or something along those lines...im just trying to give you advice from what ive seen in the clans ive been in and its up to you to actually use the advice...as i said im not ordering anyone hell i cant even be considered in the clan so i know that i have no right to order anyone around....this all advice take it or leave it

[Flufball]

Any discussion about seperate squads will find me firmly in opposition. Its as simple as that

[InsanE]

conflics arising already...

[Flufball]

Nah, I'm just stuborn, and this has been my opinion from the start they are awear of that and tend to ingore me :p

[One Armed Scissor]

2 squads is a good idea, i dont mind, i know im not the best player i nthe world but i joined RL to play CS with them, without the 2 squad idea id never get to play, at the end of the day its not if we win its if we had fun

[InsanE]

there will be times where you will have lots of fun even though you lose but nothing that match the satisfaction of actually winning a match and going top of the ladder..you'll realise this when you guys join a league and start playing matches

[Ludicrouse]

See the way i think it should work is that Both squads are playing under the same banner in the same ladder.

I.e.

A Team plays XClan on Tuesday.
B Team plays ZClan on Wednesday.

We have too many people for 1 single squad. to truly get a good number of matches for all we will have to rotate like this.



@Insane.

I apologise m8. I was a bit pissed off before i posted so sum of that boiled over. I will admit that when i glanced at your post it came across to me as being a bit condasending.

I know you mean well and i am sorry for flying off the handle. :)

[Vasquez]

im not a fan of a 2 squad system, but im completely against picking just letting the good players play so unless there's a better idea, id go for the 2 squad idea.

btw, your advice is greatly appreciated insane. ludicrouse is just an ungreatful **** :p but i do agree with him in that the Legion is a...an easy, yet disciplined community. we dont give orders. we just make requests. sometimes those requests are shouted by officers with a lot of cursing, but they're still requests. if you want to go off and play on your own then go ahead. its only when u start being an ass or playing in a squad and disobeying officers that we start to get annoyed and consider action. being a military man, if someone described this to me, id be skeptical, but it works fantasticly in Planetside and seems to be working so far in other games including CSS.

[Ludicrouse]

ludicrouse is just an ungreatful **** :p


Shudnt that read....



ludicrouse is just an ungreatful brummie :p

[Flufball]

Well see, the problem is, you're still going to encounter the "Best player faviourtism" syndrome even if you have two squads. Numbers mean sod all as alot of organising matches is done on the fly when people are online, so we may not have a match on x night, but have 5-6 players milling about, someone will shout get a war, some poor sod will go off trying to organise it (Not me hopfuly :p), then we play a war/match/name for clanmatch.

Imo what works best is simply finding out who played the night before from those online and letting others play, and just simply move through groups of players each night, so say I played with paradine, vasq, hincey and paul, and the next night, 7 of us are on, including me and vasq from the night before, if a 5v5 where to be organised, other players would get priority over me and vasq......

I realy think from experiance that a two squad system doesnt work. It may look good on paper, but things get somewhat complicated, including which team gets to use the server (if we only have one), e.g. If more players have paid in team A than team B, someone says that should give them priority, even though a match for Team B was organised weeks before, whereas team A's was done in the last 10 mins.

Or what if theres 3 A players and 2 B players, they get a match (Assuming that Team A and Team B are both on the same clan rather than seperate ones to stop leagues screaming clanwhores or whatever), and then 10 mins into the match two more team A players appear and start whining that they should be playing because they are team A.

If I was running that match, I would tell those new-comers to fook off, or wait to see if someone wants to come off at half-time, because tbh, I realy dont care for seperate squads, regardless of what team someeones on, they're still legion and I'll be damned if someone who shows up late is going to get priortiy over someone who is about in time for the match.

Look at whats happening with WoW, ok its a differant game and the circumstances are reveresed, where it would actualy be better for them to be split into both modes (Which we decided would happen well before all this idiotic pish started). But the point is still the same it causes arguments, for them its forcing them to be on one mode (despite aforementioned reasons of spliting it up allready being decided), for CS:S it will be splitting the teams, as it will happen at one point or another, regardless of how well done it is.

I will still go with whatever happens, but I just want people awear of my opinion of the faults, taken from experiance (Only one clan worked with seperate teams for me, and that was BmF, and even that had its ups and downs with A and B teams).

[Ludicrouse]

Tbh im totally not in favour of matches arranged at short notice.

See i have a life (Somewhere) so i cant be available 24/7.



If we are gonna have a match it should be planned a few days ahead. That way we get max turnout as we know who can and cant make it.

[Flufball]

A Large portion will be arranged short notice ludi, however these will be done by those online, I.e. No one is obliged to be about, but if theres 5 of us kicking around doing nothing, we might as well get one.

[Oselly]

hey guys, sorry i havnt posted in a while, but the site wont load up on my net at home, i get a shitty router signal. so i have to check it out at school in my Comp Studies class. Im in for the cs squad but my name was already down so that saves some trouble. i agree with the idea of matches only being arranged in advance as i didnt know half of them had even been played let alone when.
Os
p.s. paul smells

[InsanE]

me and flufball think along the sames lines, if you have at least 5 people sitting roung doing nothing get a pcw or something so you can go through new tactics and it will help you get better since you will start getting better and better as a team.

[One Armed Scissor]

grow up oselly