Brotherhood of War

[Gunhead]

Just finished watching Brotherhood of War (Taegukgi) and good grief, fcking powerful movie! I shit you not when i say it doesn't have to bow down in shame to Band of Brothers or Platoon or such.

There aren't too many filmatisations about the Korean War and this one is a story told by koreans instead the usual yanks save the World from communism bits.

The story's about two brothers who get sent to the war against their will and the older one who's been looking after his family and working his arse off to get his younger brother a good education finds out that if his combat performance is good enough to earn a medal of honour he has a chance of sending his younger brother back home. But amongst the atrocities of war things start to go pear-shaped fast. Not ashamed to admit i had a lump in me throat at the end.

I really recommend it if you want to see a harsh and honest movie about that war from the perspective of people who got struck by it hardest.

[Hovis]

At the risk of sounding pretentious, Korean films rock. Saw Old Boy the other week. That was powerful mojo.

[GuardianAnge1]

yeah, most asian films are far better then the dribble thats being released here in the west.

[sweeper666]

has anyone seen battle royale?

its awesome!

[GuardianAnge1]

yar - battle royale is a cool movie.

my tops are:

Battle Royale
Oldboy
Hero
Infernal Affairs
Shaolin Soccer
Kung Fu Hustle

[Gunhead]

Old Boy is on my to-see list, reckon then it's worth the while.

Yea Battle Royale is quite a good one in it's brutality. Another good korean flick is Friend, anyone seen Joint Security Area?

[Vasquez]

Battle Royale. Awesome film, but one that sits in the same group of films as the Matrix. That group is the 'it's great and I want to beleive it buy why oh why did they have to pump the spas 12! It's a self loading shotgun, you don't pump it unless you're firing gas shells you retard!!!'

[Gunhead]

*steps away from Vas*

[JojoTheSlayer]

Battle Royale. Awesome film, but one that sits in the same group of films as the Matrix. That group is the 'it's great and I want to beleive it buy why oh why did they have to pump the spas 12! It's a self loading shotgun, you don't pump it unless you're firing gas shells you retard!!!'

If thats anyoing you should see Rambo 2 or 3, dont remember which, where Mr muscle takes a M72 (http://www.lssr.ca/m72_1.jpg) and "action pumps it" to RELOAD. Hahaha

Or in Battlefeild Earth where the hero takes a 84mm Carl Gustav (http://www.defence.gov.au/army/1_19RNSWR/1_19_Equipment/84%20with%20ammo%20types.jpg) while hes in an aircraft and places the back of the weapon into the back of hes seat and FIRES. LoL, would bring a new meaning to the ejectorseat :)

Or, one thats just silly, is in the movie Enemy at the gates where the hero hides behind this old rusty ovn. The german sniper knows where he is and shoots at the ovn, but dosnt penetrade it... Yeah right, 7.92x57 (http://mauser98k.internetdsl.pl/infoog/ammo.jpg) not abel to go threw a little rusty metal plate. This is pretty usal in movies, but you would think they could do a bit more research for a "sniper" movie.


As for a realy sick jap movie you should take a look at Ichi The Killer (http://www.ichithekiller.net/#).
Just see the trailer and you will know what I mean.

[Vasquez]

My friend won't watch movies with me any more :(

[GuardianAnge1]

vasquez - you're a nut.

All i don't like is when people keep cocking thier gun. Happens in nearly every action movie.

[Vasquez]

Yeh, that annoys the hell out of me. And when people raise their guns or swing them around and they make a noice like a bag of gearboxed being rattled about. And the infamous 'Die Hard Unlimited Ammunition' syndrome. And Hollywood's obsession with full auto - you just don't fire guns on full auto! (unless it's an MP5 fired from the shoulder or you happen to be a middle eastern militant)

[Oselly]

well battle royales a great film, battle royale 2 was a bit of a let down in comparison, versus is also a great film if anyone's seen it

[Hovis]

Any low velocity round in the SPAS 12 requires a manual recock because it uses a blowback mechanism like most SMGs but with much heavier shells. Assuming since it was a movie and the gun would have been loaded with blanks I can see why that'd be necessary. However I seem to recall Arnie in the original Terminator doesn't have to bother when he's in the police station WTFPWNING the LAPD. Bottom line is the Franchi is a dirty gun (even has an arm brace so it can be fired one handed. KILLWHORAGE) but it does look hawt when used as a pump. I mean seriously you can't argue with Italian chic, even when it's applied to semi-auto Police shotguns.

As for the cocking the gun thing, if you mean pulling back the hammer on an autoloading pistol (commonly called an automatic, such as the guns you get in Counterstrike) that's not the same thing as cocking the gun. Cocking the gun means putting a round into the breach, usually accomplished on double action weapons by pulling the slide back (the top bit of the gun, the bit that slides forward when the magazine is empty). Pulling back the hammer means that when you pull the trigger you are releasing the hammer, but a lot of pistols you can pull the trigger and the hammer will come back first then fall. It depends on whether the weapon is single action (hammer needs to be pulled back) or double action (weapon will pull back and drop the hammer with a pull of the trigger). Either way if you pull back the hammer on a cocked handgun generally speaking it is a statement of intent, because it doesn't take much to release the trigger on a pistol in that state if the safety is off.

Hey Vasquez, let me know if I'm right on that stuff. I'm researching for a novel so my shit has to be accurate. :D

[GuardianAnge1]

good knowledge of single and double action pistols. the other bit i'll get my bro to look up and post.

[JojoTheSlayer]

Cocking the gun means putting a round into the breach, usually accomplished on double action weapons by pulling the slide back (the top bit of the gun, the bit that slides forward when the magazine is empty).

Both singel and double action pistol put a round in the champer in the same manner. By sliding the slide back and relasing the "slide lock". The diffrence on singel and double action pistols is just the trigger and hammer function.

Singel= Hammer is pulled back by slid and then, when a round is fired, on recoil.
Doubble= Hammer is pulled back manualy each time by trigger, while the slide function only putts another round in the chamber. Like you said.

Also the slide does not fall forward when the clip is empty. The "slide lock" is pushed up by the bottom of the clip so that the slide is again locked in the back position. This is to lower reload time. Now you only have to change the clip and relase the "slider lock" to be able to fire again. Instead of manualy sliding back the slider. :)

*"slide lock" is probaly not the proper name for that function on the pistol in english, but I dont know what its called in eng.

Movie trivia on pistols:
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A fun thing in a movie, that most peeps dont think you can do. Is in the movie Leathal Weapon 3 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104714/). Jet Lee does a trick when hes fighting against Mel Gibson where he takes hes hand on top of the pistol and removes the top slide before Mel is abel to fire. Leaving Mel whit only the pistol grip in hes hand. :)
This sounds a bit like a movie trick, but its actualy doable in real life on that pistol type, the Barreta. This is because unlike allot of pistols many Berreta pistols have a big slide removal button (http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3315/gun050is.gif) on its side. If this is pushed down the top slide will fly forward because of the spring inside the slide on the weapon :)

[Vasquez]

I will only talk about self loading handguns here, not revolvers.

Single action triggers only do one action and that is to release the hammer. The hammer then pushes the firing pin into the primer of the cartridge to fire the weapon.

Of course, for the hammer to be released, it needs to be in a rearward position already. For the first shot this means either pulling back the weapon's slide which, as it slides, pulls the hammer back with it, or pulling the hammer back itself. When the first shot is fired the recoil created forces the slide back which pulls the hammer back with it again. This means that you don't have to pull it back yourself, you just squeeze the trigger to release the hammer and the recoil causes the weapon to cock itself for the next shot and so on, until you reload or decock the weapon, when you start the process again.

When you fire a double action handgun for the first time, the hammer is pulled back as you squeeze the trigger and when the trigger is fully depressed it releases the hammer to fire the weapon. After this first shot, the recoil pushes the slide back, cocking the gun. This means there is no need to cock the weapon with the trigger pull so the weapon is fired in single action from then on.

The first shot of a single action weapon is much easier and more pleasant than that of a double action. With a single action, you may only have to apply 2 pounds of pressure. With a double action it could be anything up to 9 pounds. Single action is almost always better for target shooters because it is nicer. However, for police the double action is better because you can just draw the weapon and shoot instantly, with no need to cock it. Also, the lengthy trigger pull prevents accidental shootings. The military usually favour double action handguns too, because they can be drawn and fired instantly.

You can also get some double action only handguns, that never go into single action mode. AFAIK, these are all intended for police use because they prevent accidental shooting. When these are fired, the slide does not cock the weapon, it only loads a cartridge into the chamber.

Many modern handguns such as the Glock, do not have a hammer. Instead they have an internal striker, hwoever they usually operate in much the same way.

On a side not, double action handguns do not have to be cocked but they do have to have a cartridge in the chamber. To do this, you pull the slide back. This does not cock the weapon, but works the action allowing a cartridge to be puched into the hcamber, ready for firing. This keeps the weapon relatively safe, by not being cocked, but also makes it ready to shoot in double action mode, without the single action need to work the slide when drawn.

Also remember that a cocked gun is very dangerous. You can't walk around with a cocked gun in your holster and police wouldn't be allowed to run with one. So you must decock the weapon before doing these things. In modern weapons this is just a push of a button like the magazine release but on older weapons it can be awkward. For double action handguns that have been decocked, this just means firing in double action again, but in single action weapons it means having to cock the gun when you draw it again.

I hope I've made that clear and not made any mistakes... If you want to know how DA and SA revolvers work, I can tell you that too.

[Endangerment]

to many cocks in that post for moi :eek: