intel vs. amd

[GuardianAnge1]

(maybe this could become a sticky since it's pretty general)
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Alright, the big choice. Which do i go with?

Its either the Intel Socket 775 or AMD Socket 939?

Since this doesnt make any sense to me, ill say that the Intel comes with 915G + ICH6R chipset. The AMD comes with NForce3 Ultra chipset.

Which one you recommend?

[Ludicrouse]

Your even asking this question?


Its blatently obvious... ill give ya a clue


It aint intel!

[JojoTheSlayer]

LoL GA

If you think am gonna sticky a thread that can turn out to be a flame war about "Intet vs Amd" you havent been to to many Hardware forums have you? hehe ;). Ergo no sticky m8.


I have a Intel now, but think am gonna go AMD next generaly just becuase AMD gives the same..., more or less, preformance at alittle less money. :)

[GuardianAnge1]

/slay jojo

[Echor]

There is no winner, depends on what you want to do.

At the moment AMD has the edge for speed in games, Intel has the edge for applications like video encoding.

AMD generally better value for money

[Ludicrouse]

he is asking on these forums...

so i think its pretty much dead cert he is asking with regard to games.

and in that like you said... AMD has no Equal.

[Kampf]

Buy a pc with several intel ones if u are using maya, c4d, 3dsmax or wth. if u don't use it buy a amd 1.

[Nikodemus]

I've always had more luck with Intel than AMD. *shrug*
More expensive for certain, though :(

[Daymare]

Intel works like a nuclear reactor... generates a lot of power.. but also does well trying to fry your computer.

I have used both amd and intel processors, and I have found in the end that AMD processors really don't have any difference from the intel when it comes to power.. but in heat is is about 20 degrees cooler :\

[Nyana]

AMD had a very bad history in gaming, a couple of years back you needed AMD-patch for each and every game you wanted to play, and now that they are 64-bit you again need patches for games to work with 64 bit :)

[Peete]

Except Windows XP64 beta (yeah, it's a beat :eek: ) and 2 dristribs of Linux, no OS is using the 64bits architecture atm.

[GuardianAnge1]

the only problem is, if i go with AMD, then i get the nForce3 Ultra motherboard. Apperantly, the one that comes with the shuttle aint that great, especially since its just regular VGA style.

The Intel on the other hand comes with the 915G motherboard which boasts PCIexpress graphics, which are the way of the future, and I dont want to already be behind when getting a new computer. PCIexpress also has better onboard soundcard, which is obviously better so that I don't have to get an external one.

What you think?


nForce3 Ultra vs. Intel 915G?

[justinalot]

I am a Intel person

I know all the arguments for and against.

As far as I am concerned AMD trys there best to catch up Intel but never really release anything that gives them the real edge.

I can afford to buy Intel and have never had a Intel Chip go wrong (this includes overclocking a 2.4GHZ to 3.2 GHZ with no extra cooling at all)

My experience which is vast with computers from Servers to Desktop workstations

Intel Chip is better and is more expensive because it is an all rounder.

I am sure some people will bring up some really techy stuff on this one but to be honest Intel rules AMD purely on reliabilty, customer service, and inovation. Also what is know as the best Chipset at the moment "Intel 865pe"

When AMD make something that is not trying to copy INTEL and steal people because there cheaper then perhaps I will buy AMD.

But if price is the reason then Buy AMD (personally I would still buy the INtel chip even if it was slower)

[Daymare]

well Justin got a big point there... amd customer support is horrible, it does not come with a standard cooler and the documentation is much worse :)

[Echor]

well Justin got a big point there... amd customer support is horrible, it does not come with a standard cooler and the documentation is much worse :)

AMD's 3 year warranty only applies if you use their supplied cooler (and are able to quote the serial number from it) you can of course, just like Intel, buy the oem variants, without a cooler, those carry a one year warranty, and AMD will not deal with you, you have to go back to your supplier.

Incidently although I haven't used it, I was impressed looking at the cooler that came with the last AMD chip I bought, Heatpipes, copper base, very nice piece of work

[Ludicrouse]

AMD had a very bad history in gaming, a couple of years back you needed AMD-patch for each and every game you wanted to play, and now that they are 64-bit you again need patches for games to work with 64 bit :)

Exactly what patches do you need?

Cuz i dont have them am must need to get them quick before i play any games. :rolleyes:

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[Ludicrouse]

As far as I am concerned AMD trys there best to catch up Intel but never really release anything that gives them the real edge.



Erm.... Who is using WHO's 64bit Tech in their latest chip????

This is a one horse race... and intel have bought a hamster...

[Ludicrouse]

When AMD make something that is not trying to copy INTEL and steal people because there cheaper then perhaps I will buy AMD.



When INTEL make something that is not trying to copy old IBM processors architecture then maybe, just maybe i wont laff the next time i see one of their processors.

[GuardianAnge1]

...64bit Tech...

read the new custom pc mag:

and i quote:

"a 64-bit processor needs a 64-bit operating system and 64-bit-aware applications to make use of its 64-bitness. AMD has actually pulled off one of the best marketing coups in history with the Athlon 64, implying when it was launched - but not stating explicitly - that we'd soon all have 64-bit Windows running on our desktops. But, except for a few beta testers of course, none of us actually has this."

so- HAHA, you wasted your money on something that wont work properly until longhorn comes out, which it never will becuase micro$oft are lazy.

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biatch :D

[One Armed Scissor]

i dont want to get involved in this... but imo pentiums suck, and the P4 machienes in college are soooooooooooooooooooooo slow they have 512mb ram as well, UT2004 takes so long to load on them (unless graphics card effects loading time) and it dont take as long as it does on my PC to load and i have 512mb ram and a CELERON D!, my celeron does me for now, but when i get money im upgradeing to a AMD of some sort

[Ludicrouse]

...64bit Tech...

read the new custom pc mag:

and i quote:

"a 64-bit processor needs a 64-bit operating system and 64-bit-aware applications to make use of its 64-bitness. AMD has actually pulled off one of the best marketing coups in history with the Athlon 64, implying when it was launched - but not stating explicitly - that we'd soon all have 64-bit Windows running on our desktops. But, except for a few beta testers of course, none of us actually has this."

so- HAHA, you wasted your money on something that wont work properly until longhorn comes out, which it never will becuase micro$oft are lazy.

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biatch :D


You plonker....

Nobody bought a Athlon64 for Longhorn... we bought it for the 30%+ speed bonus over 32bit Processors....


SV_ONFGWTFPWNEDTYPLZ!


SCHLAG! :D

[NTT]

Depends what u want it for GuardianAnge1 ???

Sounds like the intel board with pci-e is the way forward in your case :)
Nvforce3 boards are great but there abit dated now with the new crop of nv4 boards.
939 socket is the way forward if u are going AMD though.


I'm not an intel lover myself, u get the same performance out of an AMD at a lot lower cost.

[Shinigami]

You know a discussion has plummeted into the shadowy depths of irrelevance when the participants start claiming to have 'owned' the other party through the use of arguments ;)

[Pegasus]

...64bit Tech...

read the new custom pc mag:

and i quote:

"a 64-bit processor needs a 64-bit operating system and 64-bit-aware applications to make use of its 64-bitness. AMD has actually pulled off one of the best marketing coups in history with the Athlon 64, implying when it was launched - but not stating explicitly - that we'd soon all have 64-bit Windows running on our desktops. But, except for a few beta testers of course, none of us actually has this."

so- HAHA, you wasted your money on something that wont work properly until longhorn comes out, which it never will becuase micro$oft are lazy.

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biatch :D



What you've forgotten is that the latest intel chip is about (usally) £800. The 64-bit version of the AMD that runs at the same speed for £400.

Most of the online comunity knew that there were no 64-bit aps or OSs (Orbital Strikes) were available, only XP 64 that is very incompatible.

But AMD's cpu's are faster than intels and are almost always less expensive.

AMD's cpus are cheaper because there produced using, and waste less silicone.


also, in bench tests (latest AMD vs latest Intel) The intell EE was 2 seconds slower than AMD's cpu, also, AMD wond vs EE on games fps.

[GuardianAnge1]

Depends what u want it for GuardianAnge1 ???

since it's a shuttle it wont have space for extra sound card internally, and the new Intel PCI-e has great onboard sound, so ill probably go for that. The shuttle AMD 939 one tho isnt that great (missing some usefull stuff)

[Nyana]

AMD had a very bad history in gaming, a couple of years back you needed AMD-patch for each and every game you wanted to play, and now that they are 64-bit you again need patches for games to work with 64 bit :)

Exactly what patches do you need?

Cuz i dont have them am must need to get them quick before i play any games. :rolleyes:

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every game from commander keen 1 up until quake 1

[Ludicrouse]

AMD had a very bad history in gaming, a couple of years back you needed AMD-patch for each and every game you wanted to play, and now that they are 64-bit you again need patches for games to work with 64 bit :)

Exactly what patches do you need?

Cuz i dont have them am must need to get them quick before i play any games. :rolleyes:

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every game from commander keen 1 up until quake 1


Ok... Now to play those you would have to have patches for the 3dfx and OpenGL issues that you wud have when using modern 3d cards.

Also.... WTF are you doing playing those?????

There is only 2 games from the past worth playing.

ST:BOTF and Ufo: Enemy Unknown.

[Echor]

HAHA, you wasted your money on something that wont work properly until longhorn comes out, which it never will becuase micro$oft are lazy.

So much bias and anger here :(

I'm currently using a 64bit version of XP (for evaluation purposes of course) and they've done a stunning job on it so far, it looks and feels just like 32 bit, and Planetside plays on it fine.

There is a strong likelyhood of 64bit windows April this year (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20874).

[GuardianAnge1]

yeah I read that this morning... doubt it will come out though, would be a nice suprise

[Nyana]

Ok... Now to play those you would have to have patches for the 3dfx and OpenGL issues that you wud have when using modern 3d cards.

Also.... WTF are you doing playing those?????

There is only 2 games from the past worth playing.

ST:BOTF and Ufo: Enemy Unknown.

Those games are what I meant with the bad gaming past of AMD, you needed to wait weeks for an AMD patch to come out to be able to even play the game. This had nothing to do with 3DFX/VooDoo since that came around 1998. And now again a game needs to be patched in order to work: Far Cry 64 :)

[Oselly]

about 9/10 of this has gone over my head tbh, i can handle basic specs and thats about it,

[Ludicrouse]

Far Cry 64 :)


Bad example... Far Cry64 is pointless unless your playing it on 64bit Linux.

[Flufball]

Farcry can still be run in 32bit by AMD processors.....