For all The Rogues in Guild

[Dragones]

For all The Rogues in guild ^_^
Maybe This is a spec, you like. Its Based on powerfull Sinister Strikes and
Eviscarates, and no need for add ons like Cold blood. Its Usable against casters and
melee type Players, and also to hold more targets at once busy. The best weapons to use
in this spec are Sword MainHand and Dagger Offhand. So try it out if you like, and maybe
its a differnt output then youre own Spec atm ^_^. Greetings Dragones

Assassination Talents (18 points)


Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 15%.


Malice - 5/5 points
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.


Remorseless Attacks - 5/5 points
After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike.


Lethality - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, or Hemorrhage abilities by 30%.

Combat Talents (33 points)


Improved Gouge - 3/3 points
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 seconds.


Lightning Reflexes - 5/5 points
Increases your Dodge chance by 5%.


Precision - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to hit with melee weapons by 5%.


Deflection - 5/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 5%.


Riposte - 1/1 point
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack.
This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 seconds.


Improved Evasion - 2/2 points
Increases the effect duration of your Evasion ability by 4 seconds.


Dual Wield Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%.


Improved Kick - 2/2 points
Gives your Kick ability a 100% chance to silence the target for 2 seconds.


Blade Flurry - 1/1 point
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 seconds.


Aggression - 3/3 points
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike and Eviscerate abilities by 6%.

Adrenaline Rush - 1/1 point
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 seconds.

[TheIcon]

Looks alot like the build I use(s) on Khromnir on shadowmoon, Its a good alround Combat builds. I used mine with full dagger though for +5% crit, but have also used the build with swords for added extra attack (something that was good fun with thradsblade :) ) cant recall my excat build tho :P as its been quite awhile since I used him :/

[Zilas]

Remorseless Attack is totally unusefull, in pvp or endgame instances.
Since you got dual wield spec, a fast dagger with low damage output is a waste, Tribal Guardian or any other sword/dagger with a 1.50-2.00 speed with a decent damage output would do the job.
I am sorry, i wanted to post a some sort of guide , but since with all the problems i had (HDD crashing), being out and keeping my mind busy with all kind of crap, never had (made) time to complete one.
Will do it soon, hopefully.

[Maurgrim]

I agree, Remorseless Attacks is a wasted 5 points.
I'd rather go for Cold Blood since it can really help you out in a pinch. A guaranteed ~2200 damage with 5cp Eviscerate puts the "oooo" back in "oooouch" ;)

When you can get your hands on a good mainhand mace (like Mass of McGowan) and The Cruel Hand of Timmy for your offhand, the mace spec instead of daggers can be quite fun too.

[Dragones]

I Chose Remorsless for especialy MC instance, because it give, 40%
Increased Crits and that does increase damage output alot i can tell you, :D
Sinister strikes of 1k and evis of 2-3k when remorsless on ^_^. Thats alot
more damage then without remorsless :cool:

[Maurgrim]

It gives you an additional 40% crit chance yes, but that doesnt make your Evis crits go up to 3k ... :P

[Dragones]

To Be Honest, My most EvisCarates became with Remorsless between 2k-3k
damage last MC ;)

[Ping]

Improved slice n dice = very very handy, atm I only have 1 point in it but wish I could put in more, id rather have the extended +30% speed than a 100% crit on a SS, the rest of the skills arent used. I'd also like to move points from subtlety into lethality perhaps, origionally put there for quicker grinding (the speed bonus from camouflage does help a lot)

Ive got a very wierd setup but it seems to suit me quite fine, havent respecced though I origionally planned to. Atm I've got:

Assassination = 13
improved evis 3/3
malice 5/5
ruthlessness 3/3
relentless strikes 1/1
improved SnD 1/3

Combat = 33
improved SS 2/2
lightning reflexes 5/5
deflection 5/5
riposte 1/1 (im a great fan of parry + riposte, no 1k+ overpower crits if warriors are disarmed ;))
precision 5/5
dual wield spec 5/5
sword spec 5/5
blade flurry 1/1
aggression 3/3
adrenaline rush 1/1

Subtlety = 5
camouflage 5/5

Basically i suppose its all down to personal preferences, I like parry/riposte for pvp, no need to keep opponents stun locked if they're disarmed, and I really like adrenaline rush for the very fast high damage output, though sometimes it gets me killed when i pull agro im MC =P yeah im not top damage dealer etc but with better equip and so on im sure i can move up a few spots. Improved SnD is also very useful in MC, zilas suggested I use it and now i wish i could put more points in it, since the extended time would save combo points for evis and so on. I need to work on my spec but im fairly happy atm, not as effective as it could be but it does the job and I win more pvp than I lose ^^

edit:


Remorseless Attacks
Rank 5/5
After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives you a 40% increased
critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or
Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.


Pulled from thott. I used to use it for grinding on my previous rogue and as far as I know, once you use one of those attacks, you lose remorseless, so its not 40% increased crits, its ONE crit.

I Chose Remorsless for especialy MC instance, because it give, 40%
Increased Crits and that does increase damage output alot i can tell you,
Sinister strikes of 1k and evis of 2-3k when remorsless on ^_^. Thats alot
more damage then without remorsless

Dont think thats possible =/ you would get one SS, then it would fade, evis isnt even possible, one mob dies, you gain remorseless, you hit next mob for increased crit, remorseless fades. Thats how I understood it to work.

[Artemus]

I am soooooo fed up with swords,that i decided to go in my old dagger spec 31/8/12.Good for pve and pvp alike,instead of steady dmg flow like sword/mace specs it has bursts of dps and its way more fun than sword/mace specs :cool:

[Braxynglet]

I would like to see Lightnings builds. He pwns all of you in dmg ;)

[Artemus]

*Decapitates Braxy*
What you were saying? :D

[Braxynglet]

*Decapitates Braxy*
What you were saying? :D

*moonfire rank1*
Pwnd!


P.S i can easily outdmg you all in catform!!1!1

[Nyana]

Things i specced in:
5/5 Daggers
5/5 Swords
Blade Flurry
Adrenaline Rush
Imp. Eviscerate
Imp. Slice & Dice
Malice

and some other crap, respecced way too often, tried Assassin tree, cold blood sucks, 10 more energy is useless, 50 would be far better. Tried Subletly as well, its nice to stealth faster and be less visible, also istantly clear all cooldowns is nice (2x vanish, evasion, kidney etc..) but it lacks dmg.. so full combat i;d say :)


In my offhand im using the Alcor's Sunrazor, and main hand switching between Assassinblade and the dagger from Voorne in LBRS. I'm lacking a lot of shadowcraft, collecting the armor set from Scholomance right now since i dont play my rogue a lot.

[TheIcon]

The build i use(d).

Assassination Talents (17 points)

Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 15%.
Malice - 5/5 points
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Ruthlessness - 3/3 points
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.
Relentless Strikes - 1/1 point
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.
Lethality - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 30%.


Combat Talents (34 points)

Improved Sinister Strike - 2/2 points
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5 Energy.
Lightning Reflexes - 5/5 points
Increases your Dodge chance by 5%.
Deflection - 5/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 5%.
Precision - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to hit with melee weapons by 5%.
Improved Evasion - 2/2 points
Increases the effect duration of your Evasion ability by 4 seconds.
Dual Wield Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%.
Dagger Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers by 5%.
Blade Flurry - 1/1 point
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 seconds.
Aggression - 3/3 points
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike and Eviscerate abilities by 6%.
Adrenaline Rush - 1/1 point
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 seconds.


Subtlety Talents (0 points)

None

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Never used S&D, but I can see the value of it for long fights like Molten Core. But I never found it that usefull on lesser stuff as the time I used building up for it could be used to build up for a high damage insted ;)

[Zuckas]

Tried it out just for kicks, didn't really enjoy it, still love my 30/11/10 build better.

Assassination Talents (30 points)

# Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 15%.

# Malice - 5/5 points
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.

# Ruthlessness - 3/3 points
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.

# Murder - 2/2 points
Increases your chance to hit while using your Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot abilities by 5%.

# Relentless Strikes - 1/1 point
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.

# Lethality - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 30%.

# Improved Instant Poison - 2/5 points
Increases the chance to apply Instant Poison to your target by 4%.

# Improved Kidney Shot - 3/3 points
Reduces the cooldown of your Kidney Shot ability by 5 seconds.

# Cold Blood - 1/1 point
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100%.

# Seal Fate - 5/5 points
Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point.



Combat Talents (11 points)

# Lightning Reflexes - 5/5 points
Increases your Dodge chance by 5%.

# Improved Gouge - 3/3 points
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 seconds.

# Improved Backstab - 3/3 points
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%.



Subtlety Talents (10 points)

# Master of Deception - 5/5 points
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 4)

# Opportunity - 5/5 points
Increases the damage dealt when striking from behind with your Backstab, Garrote, or Ambush abilities by 20%.


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Guess if I was going to seriously use a sword rogue combat talent spec it would look like:

Assassination Talents (20 points)

# Improved Eviscerate - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 15%.

# Malice - 5/5 points
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.

# Ruthlessness - 3/3 points
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.

# Murder - 2/2 points
Increases your chance to hit while using your Sap, Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot abilities by 5%.

# Improved Slice and Dice - 3/3 points
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 45%.

# Relentless Strikes - 1/1 point
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.

# Lethality - 3/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 18%.



Combat Talents (31 points)

# Improved Sinister Strike - 2/2 points
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5 Energy.

# Improved Gouge - 3/3 points
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 seconds.

# Deflection - 5/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 5%.

# Precision - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to hit with melee weapons by 5%.

# Riposte - 1/1 point
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 seconds.

# Dual Wield Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%.

# Blade Flurry - 1/1 point
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 seconds.

# Sword Specialization - 5/5 points
Gives you a 6% chance to ge an extra attack on the same target after dealing damage with your Sword.

# Aggression - 3/3 points
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike and Eviscerate abilities by 6%.

# Adrenaline Rush - 1/1 point
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 seconds.



Subtlety Talents (0 points)

# None

hope you guys don't mind me popping in and crashing your forums, but it did say public so I hope it's alright =)

//Zuckas, 60 rogue, Silvermoon Alliance, Wowrush Rushers.

[Zilas]

FFS, i'm a lame stupid lazy dumbass, should've wrote the talents guide for pve for 3 weeks by now :D

Anyway, for a sword/maces rogue, adrenaline rush is pure crap.
Seal fate all the way.
P.S. I promise i'll make the guide until sunday ;)

[Dragones]

Im waiting for it Zilas, Hurry Up, i want to see youre talents :D :D

[Jane]

To Be Honest, My most EvisCarates became with Remorsless between 2k-3k
damage last MC ;)

I just read it and erm..
Remorseless Attacks Rank 5:
After killing an opponent that yields experience, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 seconds.

How do you Eviscarate with Remorseless? How many mobs do we actually kill on MC? Remorseless lasts for 1 opponent, and it doesnt work on Evis since its after killing an opponent.. Odd what you say there.

My built now on Jane is:
Subtlety Mastery
Master of Deception Rank 4
Subtlety Total: 4

Combat Mastery
Improved Sinister Strike Rank 2
Lightning Reflexes Rank 5
Deflection Rank 5
Precision Rank 5
Combat Total: 17

Assassination Mastery
Improved Eviscerate Rank 3
Malice Rank 5
Ruthlessness Rank 3
Lethality Rank 5
Vile Poisons Rank 5
Improved Instant Poison Rank 3
Cold Blood Rank 1
Seal Fate Rank 5
Assassination Total: 30

Works great, poison do more dmg, which is great, I put points in Improved Instant Poison because IMO there was nothing else to put in, I wouldnt put in Dual Wield Specialization because I got low dmg&fast weapon offhand, and I dont want to put into Dagger Specialization or Sword Specialization simply because the fact that I will change one day..

[AkA]

My build / equip can be found here (http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?265413) its okay for PvE / PvP but i could really use a decent sword for pve. Its built for stunlock pvp with nice burst damage but then still for the solid pve with the dual wield spec and blade flurry not a bad little build. ;) Dibs to Zilas for the basics of this build cant w8 to see what he suggests for the rogues im sure it will be an amazing build :eek:

[Xed]

So Zilas is an expert on rogues.... Who would have guessed :rolleyes:

anyways, Nerf rogues plz - nref -nfer - nfre