BlackHawk Strike Team

[Ludicrouse]

Lads,


After a short stint with Knaggsy, Para and Volwerine yesterday i came up with the brilliant idea of creating a BlackHawk squad.

This squad would be very strict as to how many of which classes we have but it needs to be.

The squad will be 100% self sustainable! No need to land for repair or re-arm.


Squad Requirements


1 Pilot - Any Class. MUST BE SQUAD LEADER!!!!!
1 Chaingunner - MUST BE MEDIC!
1 Chaingunner - MUST BE SUPPORT!
2 Passengers - MUST BE ENGINEERS!




Usage


Its basically the good old fashioned Gunship.

BlackHawk flys over target flag for Cap, Side gunners let rip on anything that moves. Engies repair or drop mines/nades from above.

Think of how much of a minefield you could make with the engies being re-armed and doing a straight run down a road dropping AT mines!!!!





Comments?

[James24]

sounds great :)

Probably beats me trying to be driver and gunner at the same time in a black hawk. It was funny to hear when people spawned in the black hawk as the driver lol.

[knaggsy]

yes, i agree.. if i can fly :)

cozi play spec ops if need be we can land and i can tkae out arti and such also. :D i need to do some piloting practice alittle more ive missed landings a few times.. but im getting there.

[Flufball]

Planes would be a real problem.

[knaggsy]

not realy, if u have a good pilot, when the lock on is properly on hits x, evasive manovers one or two missioles hit..

engis repair by time he makes another pass.. again only one missile hits.. or two which dosnt kill it (coz it takes 3) and then hes out of missiles..

[Flufball]

not realy, if u have a good pilot, when the lock on is properly on hits x, evasive manovers one or two missioles hit..

engis repair by time he makes another pass.. again only one missile hits.. or two which dosnt kill it (coz it takes 3) and then hes out of missiles..

In the case of a stinger thats perfectly fine, in the case of planesit depends on who's flying the plane.

Assuming you have a good pilot chasing you, any one of these things could happen:

A: If you hit countermeasures instantaly, your heli is as good as dead, all the plane has to do is point its nose up for a couple of seconds and then it'll open fire with its missiles.

B: The plane doesn't only use missiles, it has cannons as well, they're not there for display, these things can quite easily rip the blackhawk to shreads if used.

C: The amount of Missiles, Most planes have around 6 Missiles, you may be able to dodge two or three, but by that time I'ts either still behind you, or, cruised on ahead and turned round for more.

D: If all else fails, a plane is faster, and could quite easily afterburner into you to blow you up

E: Even if you survive all of this by avoiding all of my attempts to kill you, your spending all of your time keeping alive, not fighting.

Now, I'm not doubting that a skilled pilot could keep a blackhawk alive, I'm simply saying that against a skilled pilot in the plane, you'll be to busy doing evasive manovers most of the time to keep alive to start dropping bombs or using the miniguns.

Five people and a Helicoptor, kept out of a fight at the cost of one plane and its pilot, seems a fair trade to me.

Now all of this is theoretical, and completlty depends on the actions of the people in the game, which is why I simply said

Planes could be a problem

They could, they could quite easily cause trouble, of course, they could also be invovled elsewhere keeping other planes going about. Its simply theoretics.

[knaggsy]

6 missiles by time u normally fire three u have to turn around.. cannons normally mean they wil crash into u..

and u dont hit em straght away u only press em what the alarm has been on for like 10secs on full.. or maybe alittle less u coudl be deadi n 10 secs..

[Flufball]

6 missiles by time u normally fire three u have to turn around.. cannons normally mean they wil crash into u..

and u dont hit em straght away u only press em what the alarm has been on for like 10secs on full.. or maybe alittle less u coudl be deadi n 10 secs..

Read the rest of my post, I edited more into it :P Damn fast replys to hell :P

I've never, ever crashed a plane when using cannons.......

[knaggsy]

i have lol..

i thoguth if i keep fireing hell blowu p before i get there and il keep flying...

wrong.

[One Armed Scissor]

Lads,


After a short stint with Knaggsy, Para and Volwerine yesterday i came up with the brilliant idea of creating a BlackHawk squad.

This squad would be very strict as to how many of which classes we have but it needs to be.

The squad will be 100% self sustainable! No need to land for repair or re-arm.


Squad Requirements


1 Pilot - Any Class. MUST BE SQUAD LEADER!!!!!
1 Chaingunner - MUST BE MEDIC!
1 Chaingunner - MUST BE SUPPORT!
2 Passengers - MUST BE ENGINEERS!




Usage


Its basically the good old fashioned Gunship.

BlackHawk flys over target flag for Cap, Side gunners let rip on anything that moves. Engies repair or drop mines/nades from above.

Think of how much of a minefield you could make with the engies being re-armed and doing a straight run down a road dropping AT mines!!!!





Comments?


Been doing this for a while, there are 3 passwnger slots on a blackhawk so you put a anti-tank there too, or a sniper. A anti-tank can be usefull.

Only 5 of you;re AT mines stay, so you cant make too big a minefield, also when mineing everywhere i got banned within 10 minutes because of ***** not forgiveing TK's.

[Ludicrouse]

Only 5 of you;re AT mines stay, so you cant make too big a minefield.


Are you sure of that?

[Flufball]

Aye, after you reach the limit, it starts removing the old mines.

[One Armed Scissor]

Yeah they fade away slowly, about 10 seconds after the 6th mien is placed the 1st one disapears.

[FuSs]

blackhawk strike team squad sounds like a lot of fun.
even more fun on maps without aircrafts ;)
the machine guns are a nightmare.
they kill so fucking fast you cant even say 'gulp'...

[Ironman]

I'm in on that action. Sound way cool. Do we have a decent pilot?

And I'll take the gunner/support.

[Ludicrouse]

Erm,

Knaggsy, Volw and Hincey........


those spring to mind and pretty much in that order lol

[Ironman]

Yeah but a heli pilot. I know Hincey is a damn good fighterplane pilot but I don't know his heli skills.

[Hovis]

Guys I hate to be the bearer of bad news but seriously this has to be the lamest tactic I have even heard of. Flying around in a self-repairing, infinite ammo having, crew-healing vehicle spamming grunts from above with unlimited grenades? I mean sure it's technically not exploiting but it's pretty heinous. :mad:

I might be getting BF2 (since my flatmate and the lads from work play it) and I shall keep an eye out for [RL] members using cheesy tactics if I do. This will not stand. :p

[Flufball]

Guys I hate to be the bearer of bad news but seriously this has to be the lamest tactic I have even heard of. Flying around in a self-repairing, infinite ammo having, crew-healing vehicle spamming grunts from above with unlimited grenades? I mean sure it's technically not exploiting but it's pretty heinous. :mad:

I might be getting BF2 (since my flatmate and the lads from work play it) and I shall keep an eye out for [RL] members using cheesy tactics if I do. This will not stand. :p

Just wait, as soon as I get my new PC, I will be "Auto-Switched" onto the oposite team's airfield.

[Ludicrouse]

Guys I hate to be the bearer of bad news but seriously this has to be the lamest tactic I have even heard of. Flying around in a self-repairing, infinite ammo having, crew-healing vehicle spamming grunts from above with unlimited grenades? I mean sure it's technically not exploiting but it's pretty heinous. :mad:

I might be getting BF2 (since my flatmate and the lads from work play it) and I shall keep an eye out for [RL] members using cheesy tactics if I do. This will not stand. :p


Sorry m8 but its war.... and in war i will do any damn mudda fuggin thing i can to kill the enemy!

Your not invincible in the BH but ur pretty hard unless a nme helo shoots it chaingun thru ur doors....


BH Squads will stay tho.... the Ludester considers them a valid tactic therfore they are as concrete as the 10 Commandments...



BF2 Officers are just that, IN Charge... and we deem it good!.... :)

[Paradine Hawk]

I shall keep an eye out for [RL] members using cheesy tactics if I do. This will not stand.
Hovis I see nothing wrong with this tactic, except it doesn't work sometimes,
As for saying this will not stand I think Fuck off springs to mind :p

Edit sorry for the language but had to be said

[Hincey]

I shall keep an eye out for [RL] members using cheesy tactics if I do. This will not stand.
Hovis I see nothing wrong with this tactic, except it doesn't work sometimes,
As for saying this will not stand I think Fuck off springs to mind :p

Edit sorry for the language but had to be said



Para swears :confused: :D

/agree

[Shade]

BH squad is a cool idea, I really have to brush up my skills in this game,
its been years since i was on the original battlefield in all nighters playing huge games, and barely learning to fly.
now i need to play offline and learn to fly proper....

BH squads if u can get two going in a single game taking parallel flags u will be all set. Currently i seem to be hottest as a engineer, jus love those close up shotgun blasts,

[Vasquez]

Nice. I'm definitely up for gunning as a medic or support. Played with Volwerine last night and we fucking PWNED in that thing. And it was just me gunning and him flying, no passengers and only one gunner.
I'm skeptical about the use of mine laying and grenading. In my experiance mines do more harm than good unless laid just when the tank arrives. Grenades would also be very innaccurate in a moving chopper.
Do engis repair their vehicles when gunning? If so I'd have them gunning with 2 support troopers as passengers or none at all. The same goes for if engis can't repair as passengers.
I'd fully reccomend Volwerine as pilot, he's the best I've seen tbh

[Hincey]

Nice. I'm definitely up for gunning as a medic or support. Played with Volwerine last night and we fucking PWNED in that thing. And it was just me gunning and him flying, no passengers and only one gunner.
I'm skeptical about the use of mine laying and grenading. In my experiance mines do more harm than good unless laid just when the tank arrives. Grenades would also be very innaccurate in a moving chopper.
Do engis repair their vehicles when gunning? If so I'd have them gunning with 2 support troopers as passengers or none at all. The same goes for if engis can't repair as passengers.
I'd fully reccomend Volwerine as pilot, he's the best I've seen tbh


Gunners can't rep, passengers can


/agree bout volw's piloting skills, saying that peg is v good too, dont mind flying choppers but my TS button being on my mouse is my prob :D prefer me planes tho :cool:

[Endangerment]

if you had this setup would be fun, get me and oselly or peg in the attack chopper, with the guided missile you get no tone and the black hawk is a big enough target to hit quite easily, also with the manuvability of its nose cannon we could sit in a place you cant hit us and own you.

i like the idea, we have done it a few times without all the medics and stuff, have to see how it works out ingame.

[Hovis]

Meh nuts to all y'all. It's a dirty tactic at best. Though hopefully when everyone on every server is doing it you'll see the error of your ways and come home to Planetside. If you don't I will have to buy BF2 and come in and get you. :D

Also what the fuck are you guys doing playing as the Yanks? They shot John Lennon FFS!!! I want you all in the MEC fighting for freedom and 72 virgins each before noon today or there will be beastings.

[Ludicrouse]

72 virgins each before noon today or there will be beastings.


I thought there was more than that in the Legion :p

[Solid]

Guys, in many cases on maps with helos and planes, the flags are located in areas which are fairly built-up- as in there will be nearby walls or houses or whatever. One advantage of helos is that they can 'duck' down behind vertical elevations, which plane's can't really follow because they fly horizontally.
I've used this tactic several times with success. Theoretically it opens you up to ground fire, but if you have gunners and engis to suppress it, it should be fine and dandy.

So, when you hear the missile lock, count down, launch countermeasures, and drop like brick as low as you can go.

JMO,

Solid

[Volw]

You waste a lot of resources maning BH with 6 people. I don't think you need 2 engineers repairing all the time, since after BH HP drops below 50% it's safer to fly away where one of the gunners can start repairing.

BH + Cobra works much better IMO. You get much more firepower with same amount of people used. BH can focus its fire or infantry and AA emplacements while Cobra can quickly destroy armor and mobile AAs. Additionally they can repair/rearm while flying close to each other. Also don't forget that enemy has now 2 targets to shoot down.


BH:
Pilot - Support (Squad leader)
Gunner - Med
Gunner - Eng
Passanger - Eng

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Cobra:
Pilot - Eng
Gunner - Eng




Volw

[Flufball]

You waste a lot of resources maning BH with 6 people.

Which is exactly my point, even if a plane doesn't kill the helicoptor, it should keep it busy enough avoiding missile locks to take it out of the fight for a period of time where a (tempoary) extra 6 players on the other side can make a world of differance (Skill dependant).

[knaggsy]

so dont use 6 people use three... one gunenr switches to passenger to repair .. :)