The PvE/PvP debate

[b00n]

Didn't read all of the discussion.

Why not go for "Renegade Legion (PvP)" and "Renegade Legion (PvE)" or sumsuch?

[Fusion]

I was going to suggest we use the latin translation of Renegade Legion for one of the guilds.

[FuSs]

Didn't read all of the discussion.

Why not go for "Renegade Legion (PvP)" and "Renegade Legion (PvE)" or sumsuch?

If possible we do that but by the looks of it the guild names are unique on the whole server cluster.

[Daymare]

I think b00n meant Renegade Legion and RenegadeLegion, Or Renegade Legion (andanother space)

[FuSs]

nm he ment RL + (PVE/P) in the tag.
hmm is there a max number of letters in a guild name?

[Ironman]

There is a max but I can't remember. And you can't use anything else but letters. :(

So that's why I suggest we use:
"Renegade Legion" = PvP
"The Renegades" = PvE

[JojoTheSlayer]

I still dont agree whit having two guilds in one game but since we are gonna have it i think the names should be so simmilar that peps dont confuse them as two diffrent clans. This becuase if you just look at PS there are alott of other clans called The Renegades, BlackRenegades, BlackLegion and so on and so on...

To not confuse peps that join post WoW retial I think we should go for:

Renegade Legion ( on PvP )
RenegadeLegion ( on PvE )
or
Renegade-Legion ( on PvE )

[Daymare]

yup, really agree with jojo on this one...
wtf.. im doing it again :D

[TheIcon]

2nd JoJo's surgestion.

[Ironman]

Ok ok ok I get it. OK?

BUT you can't use "-" so the first one is out. And the "RenegadeLegion" looks WAY ugly.

So I tried something else and it worked. So now here is my suggestions:
Renegade Legion - PvP - Guildleader = Shy/FuSs.
The Renegade Legion - PvE - Guildleader = Ironman.

[Paradine Hawk]

Looks good to me Iron,
apart from the bit about you being leader ;)

[b00n]

I'd rather use

"Renegade Legion PvP"

and

"Rengeade Legion PvE"

to keep the Corporate Identity, and to let people know that we have 2 guilds running - one on each server.

[JojoTheSlayer]

I'd rather use

"Renegade Legion PvP"

and

"Rengeade Legion PvE"

to keep the Corporate Identity, and to let people know that we have 2 guilds running - one on each server.

yeah this is better in my view...

Anyone whit just half a brain would understand that this was the same clan. Also it could help cross recruitment, letting peps that join one side post retail know they can have an alt on the other side. IF they feel they have choosen the wrong server type, but dont want to quit the legion. Also, I admit it mite sound a bit far fetched now since the game is new, but we could also consider asking peps, of free will ofC :D, to play the "other server" a bit while, if needed, they had a recruitment period or we wanted to stage BIG RL on a Battle ground event. It would be extremly cool to have half the Alliance side of a BattleGround beeing RL's.

[Ironman]

I'd rather use

"Renegade Legion PvP"

and

"Rengeade Legion PvE"

to keep the Corporate Identity, and to let people know that we have 2 guilds running - one on each server.

Good thing we have some brains in this Legion. :D

I second that naming policy.

[FuSs]

sounds good

[Fusion]

I'd rather use

"Renegade Legion PvP"

and

"Rengeade Legion PvE"

to keep the Corporate Identity, and to let people know that we have 2 guilds running - one on each server. Gets my vote.

[FuSs]

now that we split up over 2 servers i think it would be the best to make a new vote about which faction we gonna join.

still unsure what i prefer. darkish, evil undead sucker or a hot chick in plate armor ;)

[ForakExertus]

Leaning towards horde a little because of their apparent lack of numbers overall. Hate to see one side with 65% of the players.

[FuSs]

alliance players only count half cause they get all the 12 year old pimps.

PS: for power pvp playing i suggest we join the undead.
what wins allmost every 1on1 pvp fight ? - fear, sheep, charm.
who is immun against that ? - the undead.

[TheIcon]

Having played both sides (one pve one pvp) I can say I liked playing my Troll mage up to level 25 better then I liked playing my Nightelf rogue up to level 25, having said that it might be because I leveled mostly in the barrens till 25 and hated ashenvale and stonetalon. I still hate ashenvale and stonetalon :) there for I disliked the NE part of that :o

Rather pick alliance for main fx. pick a server for PvP and PvE and then pick a PvP and PvE server and creat Horde RL guilds there. But I guess that'll be streching the legion to wide.

I'll play with the PvE lads at what ever they pick, but you can be sure that I'll have a troll mage on some server !

[Fusion]

Its a simple question and it requires a simple answer... :)

The results are public. Please do not be judgemental about people's choices.

[Jega]

Depends on my IRL mate...

[JojoTheSlayer]

Deppends on a few factores.
Mainly how good/bad the Battlegrounds are gonna be on the diffrent server types and also how many will be active on the use of TS since I find rpgs to be a bit quiet and boring just listening to background sonund while solo questing etc. Also its a real pain typing ever darn word :)

Mainly am hoping, so far, for a big turn out and action for the PvP server since I see more end game pros than cons on that server type.

[Gromagrim]

PvE. At the time of writing, the guild's just got it's 40th member, hopefully we'll see a similar show of strength in retail, and push RL up there in the often recognised guilds. And hopefully the same success will be matched in PvP too

[Nyana]

PvP

[Daymare]

Im going pvp, hovever, I will sneak over to play with the folks on the pve server once we get the guild established :)

[Carcass]

I'd rather use

"Renegade Legion PvP"

and

"Rengeade Legion PvE"

to keep the Corporate Identity, and to let people know that we have 2 guilds running - one on each server.

You have my vote there!!
Noone can get confused there ;) +it looks good ;)

[Fusion]

They were all lvl 45+ :)

[ForakExertus]

Yeah i can see how its fun to let the horde conquer your town, and crush your dignity while noone bothers to defend it. /dance

[Fusion]

Fact 1 it was 3am, which is not exactly peak time
Fact 2 I was level 27 so I would have been ripped to bits in seconds
Fact 3 your last couple of posts have been really trollish/flames, please rethink your posting style

[ForakExertus]

Perhaps so, then again, maybe it is needed to finally get some ppl to realise they are ruining it for the majoriy. First the splitting up of RL and now the downfall of RL PVP all because of failed democracy. The minority in a vote dont get their way so they ruin it for the majority. This attitude has been consistent in WoW so far and if it goes on there will only be RL PVE left.

Furthermore, why do you post this screenshot if its not to attract a 'troll/flamish' comment? the screenshot is low resolution, doesnt show anything special, no action, and there is a special screenshot thread even if you felt like showing it..

[Brask]

hmm, I don't play Wow, nor I intend to.

However, I still cannot understand why ppl play PvE. I mean, why do I need an online game to kill AI (monsters etc.) :rolleyes:
Not considering we are coming from pure PvP FPS...

[Fusion]

Because there is a great challenge and it is fun.

[Paradine Hawk]

First the splitting up of RL and now the downfall of RL PVP all because of failed democracy. The minority in a vote dont get their way so they ruin it for the majority
Weve been through all this before, however I can not see why having 2 diff servers with RL on should be a problem and as I pay my subscrition fees I choose where I play, unless of course you are offering to pay my subs Forak. ;)
See you on friday on the PvE server guys (assuming Amazon get their finger out)

[FuSs]

doesnt the same happen on the pve server, dengar ?
or are npcs protected too newadays ?

raids on enemy towns are pretty cummon on the pve and pvp server.

[Carcass]

Hi !
Im new here...so dont know much about how you where playing here in the "old" days...Planet Side and so on :o

But about the the argue about PvP vs. PvE !
Cannot see what people see in PvP!!! there is no benefit/risk(thinking of HC-Like in Diablo2) And I sure do not wanna be a guy trapped with my corpse,because someone think its funny to kill me again,again and again :mad:
I like to travel and do Q at my own pace...

But i like to say...that if Blizzard makes it more Thrilling to play PvP i might reconsider where to play ;) but for now im going straight PvE...Alliance
Dwarf Paladin : mining/skinning-engineering
(but im thinking "sadly",not for long...cause i LOVE playing Horde"my soft spot",And have a few friends who are playing Horde/Undead and as i said somewhere else in here...I love Trolls talk GANJA :D )

Cya All ingame friday,if the Postmand are on time :p

[Flufball]

Good god, I havent whined and complained that much since the Farmer schisim ended, This has to stop. Now. You cannot do anything about PvE players, or vice versa. Live and let live.

Edit: Bloody Hell? That was far to flamable for my own liking, so I'll just sum up what I said:

Everyone who has gone to PvE has as much a right to have a guild there as those who do on PvP. This is not your personal dictatorship, its quite simple, people play for fun, not to be ordered about by someone who wants to rule the world. (As good a dream as that is). Quite simple realy, let them go its their choice, you may not be happy with it, but they are legion, and nothing, nothing you say can stop them from having the right to do that.

[ForakExertus]

Let me just quote shy

what people do in the end of a poll is up to them as our history shows.
the only reason we still do polls is to see what the majority wants.
nobody here can force ppl to do smth they dont like but the majority has the right to wear our name.

I could quote your post piece by piece but it made so little sense to me ill just blame poor understanding of the English language.

[Flufball]

Yea, I've edited it, it was an incomprihensable flamefest. And the original WoW poll determined that we where to split up between servers, but then some idiot started it all up again. As for that, yes the majorty do have the right, but so to do the minority. We are one and all Legion. Besides a differant guild on a differant server on a differant game style is hardly unfair, we have a CS:S clan, why not a seperate guild on PvE for those who want to go to PvE.

Just because you don't want to play PvE does not mean someone else can't play it. Every single member of the legion has the right for the tag. The only time I would ever consider arguments over servers valid is when its over Identical servers that where in differant parts of the EU.

[ForakExertus]

Good god, I havent whined and complained that much since the Farmer schisim ended, This has to stop. Now. You cannot do anything about PvE players, or vice versa. Live and let live.

Edit: Bloody Hell? That was far to flamable for my own liking, so I'll just sum up what I said:

Everyone who has gone to PvE has as much a right to have a guild there as those who do on PvP. This is not your personal dictatorship, its quite simple, people play for fun, not to be ordered about by someone who wants to rule the world. (As good a dream as that is). Quite simple realy, let them go its their choice, you may not be happy with it, but they are legion, and nothing, nothing you say can stop them from having the right to do that.


So.. yeah, after reading that twice I come to the conclusion that you blame me for denying the PVE guys the right to have a guild. As much as I would enjoy having such power I have to admit that is absolutely redicilous. If you were to bother reading other posts on this and on the old forums you might actually understand what we are talking about. And that is the several polls and the subsequent failure to follow them up. Fine with me. Couldn't care less. But it does not solve the fact the legion is splitting up. And i find that a shame. According to you you could have 60 very small RL's with each having 1 member, they all have the right. Would that really be renegade legion? No.. its a stupid example but apparently needed.

Anyway, quote me saying that the PVE guys do not deserve their guild or the RL name and we'll talk further.. otherwise its good you edited your post so quickly ;)

[Flufball]

So.. yeah, after reading that twice I come to the conclusion that you blame me for denying the PVE guys the right to have a guild. As much as I would enjoy having such power I have to admit that is absolutely redicilous. If you were to bother reading other posts on this and on the old forums you might actually understand what we are talking about. And that is the several polls and the subsequent failure to follow them up. Fine with me. Couldn't care less. But it does not solve the fact the legion is splitting up. And i find that a shame. According to you you could have 60 very small RL's with each having 1 member, they all have the right. Would that really be renegade legion? No.. its a stupid example but apparently needed.

Anyway, quote me saying that the PVE guys do not deserve their guild or the RL name and we'll talk further.. otherwise its good you edited your post so quickly ;)


Nah I'm not blaming you, I just find it hard to express what I mean in a comprehensibale way, which means it generaly comes out as a trollish flame which I like to avoid. I do understand what this is about, however, nevertheless I still stand by my opinion that those who whish to play PvE have every right to.

As for you example, it is stupid, and it is uneeded, I agree a line has to be drawn somewhere, we can't have individuals running about with RL on any server, however when its somthing as big as this, it is hardly fair to force someone into somthing because of your (generic person, not you specificaly) own personal opinions, its hardly an individual man server, and its not closed doors to anyone who isnt legion.

When a fair portion of the legion want to do somthing else, why should we stop them? Its hardly seven people, and I've yet to see one good reason, other than "It'll split the legion" which from what I can tell means "I still want to play with x player, but I'm to stubborn to play both servers so I can play with this player."

[Nikodemus]

Not again :(

If you want to play PvE, play PvE.
If you want to play PvP, play PvP.
Can we please just keep it at that and not take any (more) stabs at each other?

(and I know I'm not the one to talk, but well...)

[Flufball]

Not again :(

If you want to play PvE, play PvE.
If you want to play PvP, play PvP.
Can we please just keep it at that and not take any (more) stabs at each other?

(and I know I'm not the one to talk, but well...)
Yes. Listen to Niko, hes saying what I cant without blowing it out of propotion. Infact, delete all my posts alltogether and just stick nikos quote on it :p

[Fusion]

It was supposed to be a lighthearted thread! :eek:

Considering there is pretty much a 50/50 split between PvP and PvE, arguing about it is just silly.

However the one thing that PvE has in its favour is you can still have PvP combat if you want it. On a PvP server you have no choice. That is why I chose PvE.