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Daymare
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 12:23
Warning: This post is going to be loaded with curses, and most prolly be very emotional, because I am, at this moment, seriously fucking pissed off.

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I logged on the PvE server today, even though I normally play pvp. I was hoping to get to play with the people there, which some, I thought were very good online friends. I was looking forward to spending some time low leveling with iron, niko and rebb.. what happened was this (this is ofcourse only my view of what happened, the pve people might have another opinion):

I logg on: Level to lvl 5, then rebb logs on and I get an invite to the guild.
I join the guild and talk to a few new members, which are very nice to me, and greet me in a friendly fashion. One of these people are Iron mans relative or something, and I ask if he can get ironman on.

A few minutes later, ironman logs on, and I tell him I came to test out the pve server, seeing that I have heard the pvp there can be almost as good as on the pvp server. The first thing that happens, is that iron goes into defence mode, and starts talking about how the "full" pvp will only come when battlegrounds are out.. ok fine with me. So then it happens, that we start discussing, apparantly not something Ironman wants.

Then Niko logs on, and me and Iron are already discussing.. what then happens is that they start flaiming me, tell me to go away and do something else than try convice them to join pvp... I tell them this is not what I want, but still they are agressive to me.
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I later learn, that they are quite pissed off, because people are flaming them all over the boards, I understand nothing ofcourse, in my ignorance. And after a heated discussion, with me trying to tell them not to bite my head off, I end up learning that they don't even want to log on to the normal ts server, because they can't stand the shit that the pvp players are giving them.




WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS!? THIS IS NOT BHO GOD DAMNIT!

This is Renegade Legion, a place where skilled and teamoriented players come to have fun and enjoy each others company.. not some fucking flame house were we go so far that we don't want to talk to each other anymore.

I have now read every single fucking post in the 9 pages long pve/pvp discussion, and this is seriously taking the crap. I see people trying to make guild leaders force other players to do something.. you don't seem to get the point.. THIS IS NOT THE MILITARY, and that sounds a bit wrong comming from the head fuckhead leader in ps. But this is like commanding people to delete your character in ps, or decert him to something you would never play.

We have a fucking huge problem here, and that is that we are no longer behaving like friends. The treatment I got on the pve server hurt me so much, that I had trouble speaking to nyana on ts for a while, I had to really focus to get all the crap out of my head.

The most important knowledge I got from my short visit to the pve server, is that these players are considering to leave the legion, because of the treatment they are given.

THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN

Now I say we stop this crap untill it goes further...
We establish two guilds, have a poll for who gets the Renegade Legion name, AND THATS IT. This has gone too far already, and it needs to stop before the legion is hurt even more.

Sorry for the long post..
A very angry, and frustrated Daymare- Out

FuSs
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 13:02
which treatment ?
i understand why people prefer pvp and i understand why other people prefer pve.
we agreed that we form 2 guilds for WoW and i fucking dont know whats the problem here.

Budmonkey
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 13:05
I have been playing wow for 4-5 days now so i am no expert on the matter. I will be playing on the PvE server with Iron, Niko and who ever else decides to play there but i can honestly say that a lot of the posts re: pvp/pve have got me thinking wtf is wrong with some people.
I switched channels on ts yesterday because of the pvp spam, really fucking annoying when you are just learning a game, so Daymare you probably just pushed at the wrong time m8 but that said i don't blame them being pissed off.
I understand why people want to keep all of RL on the same server, but some(from both sides) have made it perfectly clear that they will play on their respective servers no matter what.
Time to accept that and move on.

Nikodemus
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 13:10
I logged out 2 minutes after you and have been sitting here staring at the screen since then trying to figure out if I should type a "Leaving"-post in the "Community Issues" forum or go give a few people my honest oppinion on the "discussion" thread in order to get myself kicked.

The fact of the matter is that I'm an extremist on this issue. I absolutely loathe the RPG free-for-all PvP mentality - the cowardice, the ganking, the trash talking, the elitist "We play on hardcore mode"-attitude.
There's a few members of the Legion I've lost all respect for during this discussion and there's a few others I didn't like much before and ... well, really would like not to have to spend any more of my time with by now, wether in WoW or PS.

So all in all ... I guess it's about time I leave.

Daymare;
I logged into the game after reading Jojo's last post on the "discussion" and was annoyed allready. Then I, for the third day in a row, saw someone from the PvP server discussing the issue with us ingame on the PvE server.
You were being quite civil and friendly about it ... and I tore your head off, which was completely uncalled for.
Hope you can accept my apologies. Understandable if you can't.

Jojo;
I was typing a civil reply to your post in the "discussion" thread but halfway through decided not to bother finish. I think I'll just be honest instead:
Fuck you too, wanker.


I'll be to be found in Planetside on my usual characters, but probably with a [No oufit] tag - and I'll be to be found on a euro PvE server somewhere using any of my usual names (Nikodemus, Dehenet, Imentet).

Cheers,
- Niko

GuardianAnge1
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 13:24
*i am not taking any sides - just giving my opinion on what i have read*

this seems just to be a somewhat 'childish' dispute. We all came together to play PS, and thank god that was on one server otherwise we would have had the same one a while ago.

I think that people miss the whole 'group' thing that we all had in PS. We all used to play the same game, and we all played it together. Now that we have widened our spectrum, times will be hard. This is especially true in WoW since there are two servers which promote completely DIFFERENT playing style.

I think that people, especially in WoW want to play as one big group. They want to have all WoW players on the same server. This, obviously isnt going to happen since the two servers are completely different. WE HAVE TO SEE THAT AND FIGURE IT OUT. There is no reason to have a PvP vs. PvE dispute. I think that those who play PvE should leave the PvP people alone and visa versa. The TS channels are seperate, and people crossing over just to persuade someone to move over is just childish.

Daymare didnt know this fude (sp) so it wasn't really his fault, he was just saying his views on WoW.

Nico - i urge you to reconsider your choice about leaving. We are all adults, so we can figure this out without swearwords and hate posts. I think that the commanders should have a talk and figure this out together.

If this means that some people in RL have to be put on probation, then it's fair, maybe they need to learn from their mistakes.


WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS

Nyana
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 13:30
Who's flaming who on TS? Names please..

Just my two cents:
PvE: Good for RPG, fine with me if half the legion is there i don't flame others (no matter what server you are on and has your vote) and I respect your choice.
PvP: There is absolutly NO serious ganking here and we are not l33ter than anyone else, it just takes another point of view to understand and play here. Its just all a matter of point of view, I like action and i hate RPG, so I play PvP.

I think the commotion started because in the old forum we ALL agreed to play wherever the legion wants to play. In a matter we ALL agreed to play on the same server in beta to test it. Then a new vote started here on the new forum and an entire flame war started with people who didn't even played WoW before.

Paradine Hawk
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 13:59
Well having played WoW on the US servers.
I have decided to play on the PvE server when European WoW goes live.
This is my decision to make and no one else is going to make me play on another server not of my choice.
Obviously everyone has the same choice to make and can not be forced by anyone to change that decision.
It's a shame when it comes to the point of some people feeling they can't stay in the legion due to the behavior of others.

I thought we had this settled ages ago and most people were content with having 2 versions of the renegade legion (1 PvP- Renegade Legion and 1 PvE The Renegades (or something similar)).
It's a shame if us PvEers will have to join/form a seperate guild when playing WoW.

Phew got that off my chest.

Fusion
Sunday, 16th January 2005, 14:48
I thought we had this settled ages ago and most people were content with having 2 versions of the renegade legion (1 PvP- Renegade Legion and 1 PvE The Renegades (or something similar)).
It's a shame if us PvEers will have to join/form a seperate guild when playing WoW. I thought the same. :(

Will you guys please take a big chill pill please, shit like this doesn't do us any good.

We will just have to accept the fact that we are a diverse group of individuals and one play style does not necesarily suit everybdy. We are free to make our own decisions and play on whichever servers we feel suits us best. No explanations, no negative feeling (carebears vs gankers or whatever), just the simple fact that RL will be represented in both PvE and PvP.

@ everyone: I think it would be a good idea if we draw a line under this and get on with life. Some of you should consider sending appologies via PM, but otherwise lets stop this pointless war here and get on with what we do best: fragging the enemy.

@ Niko: please reconsider before you leave, you are valued member of the community and it would be a great loss for us if you went