Warhammer 40.000: Dark Millenium

[Maurgrim]

E3 Trailer
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[Khammar]

After the last WAR fiasco?

[Gunhead]

Hmmph, kinda seriously underwhelming considering that the vid looks like WoW/WAR machinima - DoWII on full gfx zoomed in looks better tbh...

But still it's WH40K... :/

[Flufball]

40k, and it uses an old 2nd edition expansion name, but the video... I don't know, I hope it's good, but I'm just so burnt out with traditional MMO's. If it brings back the glory days of planetside, great but if I'm stuck on a server with six billion variations of Space Marines and their evil counter parts, I'm going to give it a miss.

Still, if I can be an Ork and smack people with a giant axe with a control system like the one in Mount and Blade then I'd be over the moon.

[Hovis]

Looks about as bad as it could from a trailer. We've got no first person shooting, what looks like a WAR style camera so probably not a third person shooter either (but could be wrong), NPCs in the combat zone (unless they let you drive the Titan, which I doubt), bikes instead of horses so very much WAR-like (no Planetsidey tanks) and almost no indication at all of anything good.

But that's just how I read it. I'm going to go ahead and write this one off.

[Tapja]

Well, on a positive note, it can only get better from here... :rolleyes:

[Khammar]

Well, on a positive note, it can only get better from here... :rolleyes:

LOL

[Lyoth]

Wait!
A game will be released sometime in the future!
I NEED TO SPOUT MY MEANINGLESS OPINIONS ABOUT IT!

But seriously.

Warhammer is awesome, and while I really don't see how they can force it into the framework of a modern MMO (regular warhammer is more forgiving, and still felt forced) more power to them.
Forming any opinion on the weight of a single trailer is retarded.

The worst thing they could do is make it faction based. :P

[OniKiy]

I liked it, I'm going to wait until there is a lot more info than just a trailer before I weigh in my opinion on WH40k. I'd love it to be a WH40K Planetside, but that doesn't mean it would be any good either.

If they make it a good game then I'd probably play it. But I expect a lot more from a game that has such a rich history of being in games already.

Also ty for the new sig quote Lyoth.

[Khammar]

Forming any opinion on the weight of a single trailer is retarded.

The worst thing they could do is make it faction based. :P

1) I see nothing wrong with forming initial opinions based upon what they release. Anyone who locks in a mindset after one trailer might be crazy though.

2) They probably will . . .

[Hovis]

Yeah you can't learn anything from a trailer except what a game looks like, how it's played, what's involved in it, how the interface works, the setting and general style. None of those factors is the sort of thing you'd ever be able to base an opinion off.

No sir. :cool:

[JojoTheSlayer]

Well, it could be that its played closer to Savage 2 than say WoW. Where you have a interface that looks like WoW, but that you run and gun, or melee I guess, in fps like fashion. Where the skills are just specials you can do with your character or weapon. Rapid fire or what not...

No sane mmo today would launch a game so graphically advance no one could play it.
Maybe the somewhat lack luster graphics means epice sized battles? But I do have a feeling it will be shit, because Planetside like games are not main stream, ergo 40k will be nothing like it.

[Hovis]

The correlation between good graphics and good performance in an MMO battle game is yet to be proved, given that WAR, EVE, UO, Planetside etc all lag during mass PvP and look like arse while they do it.

I do agree though that it could be a third person shooter with knobs on. Third person shooters are pretty common these days anyway, lot of games that would traditionally be first person are now third, but I dunno. It all looked suspiciously like WAR with different graphics to my eyes.

Thing with a trailer is that it's not just about what you can see, it's about what you can't see, what they are not showing you. If they've got a USP (unique selling point to those who don't know) beyond it being WH40K then they didn't mention it at all.

Makes me wonder what MMO designers are actually trying to do these days. I think Star Trek Online might have been the way they are going to be honest, get a valuable IP, release a really cheap game, profit from box sales. Of course STO was fucking tat, but I bet it made money. Will know more if that's what this thing is when we find out what the engine is.

[Lyoth]

A one minute trailer, given when they announce the game, with no accompanying media I could find in a very brief google search.
(looking this early would be bad for my health, I'll chew through my arm as it is if they fuck it up too badly)

I'm sure it's entirely indicative of the gameplay and content, you know, with game companies sitting on fully developed games months, or even years before release... :shinner:

Oh man, look how epic warcraft is! Trailers really ARE informative!
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Aye, lag and large scale pvp will pretty much always go hand in hand (receiving the actions of many players and relating it in "real time")

Having a graphics intensive engine doesn't help for lower specced players though.
Trying to draw in the actions of lots of people does cause lag, which is a pretty direct correlation, and happens in pve too.

I wouldn't put to much emphasis on "looking like wow" though, fact is, it's a basic UI that just *works*
UO required a *great* deal of tweaking to be at all playable.

[Tapja]

Oh man, look how epic warcraft is! Trailers really ARE informative!
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Comparing a CGI trailer with one that looks like it has gameplay in it... fail.

[Gunhead]

Wait!
A game will be released sometime in the future!
I NEED TO SPOUT MY MEANINGLESS OPINIONS ABOUT IT!

But seriously.

Warhammer is awesome, and while I really don't see how they can force it into the framework of a modern MMO (regular warhammer is more forgiving, and still felt forced) more power to them.
Forming any opinion on the weight of a single trailer is retarded.

The worst thing they could do is make it faction based. :P

Dave my darling, the biggest disappointment for me (admittedly based on the trailer but then again the game's been in development since 2007 and beyond that trailer there's zero info about it anywhere) is that i was hoping for some NEW game style/mechanic for it but the only mechanic visible in the trailer is the bog-standard, run-of-the-mill, beaten-to-death mmo industry standard à la EQ2/WoW/WAR etc.

The "Next Gen MMO" -phrase in there is a piss in the eye as i personally don't consider reskinned Warhammer Online with titans such a leap in technology that it'd justify a brave new generation of online gaming label.

Don't get me wrong, i do love WH40K and seriously hope it'll be good - hell, this title is the one i was anticipating most to hear about from this year's E3. Just that the trailer kicked me in the happy as it seems the average unimaginitive goo that passes for "new" mmos these days. Seriously, i was expecting to see a glimpse of Ironforge in background of those snow terrains or at least the patrolling horsemen in the "Titans @ Arathi Highlands" -scene...

Why couldn't they have done some sort of DoWII worked into mmo approach?
/emo

[Vadam]

yea and the crafting looked awful

[Peete]

OMG I can see BFRs in the vid ! :eek:

[Gunhead]

But yeah, despite my preliminary whining if WH40K Dark Millenium turns out to be anything close to this:

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I'm all peaches and cream.

[Taylor]

I don't know what you're moaning about, it says "Next Generation" in the video. It's next gen guys. Do you know what that means?

No, seriously, what does it mean?

[Ludicrouse]

I don't know what you're moaning about, it says "Next Generation" in the video. It's next gen guys. Do you know what that means?

No, seriously, what does it mean?

A balding Shakespearian Actor in the lead role, a hirsute Second in Command, a fit Shrink, a bloke with a Cornish Pasty for a forehead, a Robot and the Token Black Guy With a Disability?

[Taylor]

A balding Shakespearian Actor in the lead role, a hirsute Second in Command, a fit Shrink, a bloke with a Cornish Pasty for a forehead, a Robot and the Token Black Guy With a Disability?

You'd fucking love that wouldn't you.

...And he wasn't disabled, he was handicapable!

I also always thought it was more of a semi melted mars bar, but that's a discussion for another time.

[Lyngs]

Website is up: http://www.darkmillenniumonline.com/

[Tapja]

Website is up: http://www.darkmillenniumonline.com/

Graphics look better in the trailer on that site.

[Rebel]

I can see Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines n Orks being able to go toe to toe, but I'm sure I saw Imperial Guards in there! I know Guard have superior numbers and heavier arsenals than the rest, but seriously if there is hand to hand elements in the game, then from a soloist's point of view, it doesn't look promising!

Although like many others, I've always liked the story / balance side of 40K as most races are completely different (except good/evil sides of similar races) so I'm not writing this one off yet (aka 'doing a Hovis)!

[Flufball]

The following was posted by a mate elsewhere (http://www.golden-throne.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=304997#304997), in March. I've only just noticed it now as I've been somewhat offline over there for a while. With it being a few months old I'm not sure how much of it is true, relevent, or even just nonsense but the guy in question is usually quite good at digging up accurate stuff, so take it how you will:

From THQ private company conference of 20th january concerning E3 presentation plan:
Playable factions:
- Imperium
- Eldar
- Orks
- Chaos
Features:
- Focus both on Melee and Long range Combat
- covering system
- 29 Zones (21 claimable, 8 invadeable)
- Open-World
- PvP around resource gathering and taking strategic points
- center zone features a conquerable stronghold
- No playable Tanks or other Warmachines at release but implemented possibility for expansion
- Tyranids as full fighting PvE-Faction
Lore (being discussed concerning certain faction-plots at the moment but here are the things we determined with Games Workshop so far):
- Game takes place in the southern border-sectors of Segmentum Tempestus
- Factions fight over a destroyed imperial forge world called Tarelis and its hive-city Cerberus X (newly added to the lore!)
- The story of the game will NOT take place in a parallel universe! Just like the Planet Kronus (made by our colleagues at relic) Tarelis will be part of the lore!
- Tyranids will be main-antagonists
- Unfortunately Vigil-games was not allowed to use Relics Gorgutz ‘Ead ‘Unter as Ork Warlord as he will make a final appearance in the second DoW2 expansion
Costs:
- 49.99$
Monthly fee:
- being discussed but most likely around 13$
Rating:
- targeted Teen/PEGI 16
Fully revealed at E3 2010.”


..all dutch to me but..hooray/boo as you feel.

[Lyoth]

Comparing a CGI trailer with one that looks like it has gameplay in it... fail.

L2 sarcasm?

[Lyoth]

As for balance, that's why I fear an MMO of it.
That said, a little "tweaking" of what certain races are capable of to make a playable game is to be expected.
I wouldn't expect them to make Imperial Guardsman a playable class though.
But if they do, it better be as cannon fodder (really shooty cannon fodder though :D)
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And Gun my lovely, I had the same concerns :P
The bullshit spouted at WAR release (even though I enjoyed my 3 days pre-computer explosion:shinner:) has made me even more wary of "wow killer" and other such labels.

DoW2 graphics were pretty sweet... ^^
But over all graphics don't bother me as much as the art.
UO had *great* artwork and every graphics upgrade was just awful for the look and feel of the game.

[JojoTheSlayer]

From THQ private company conference...

On that note, did anyone see the E3 Nintendo stage show?
At one point they where stating all the companies that would be making games for Nintendo, Capcom etc which got applause, but when they said THQ the audience laughed... :p

Skip to 6:00 min!
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[Gunhead]

But over all graphics don't bother me as much as the art.

Found these: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/06/15/warhammer-40k-online-the-first-images/
Bit better than trailer.

Then there's this from the site:
Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction...

Two sides... Two sides don't make a good RvR setting! It's been proven time and again and still them gits stick with it :mad: Reckon "Order" would be the Imperium and Eldar... Somehow Astartes and Eldar fighting side by side rubs me the wrong way.

[Lyoth]

Aye, such a fail concept... well, not always, but it seems so standard now it sickens me to even see.
(@Gun's last comment ^^)

[Gunhead]

3 sides would be so much better. That way if one side gets overpopulated/dominant the two smaller ones can equalize it by ganging up on the big guy. Ofc each army fighting for their own means would be best as it comes to WH40K but if the playable factions are as mentioned above it could work with Imperium vs. Eldar vs. Chaos/Greenskins.

[Tapja]

3 sides would be so much better. That way if one side gets overpopulated/dominant the two smaller ones can equalize it by ganging up on the big guy. Ofc each army fighting for their own means would be best as it comes to WH40K but if the playable factions are as mentioned above it could work with Imperium vs. Eldar vs. Chaos/Greenskins.

From trailer, I was hoping Imperium vs Chaos vs Greenskins. No fuckin pansies allowed.

[Lyoth]

Eldar are badass...

[Tapja]

Eldar are badass...

The only good elf is a dead elf.

[Hovis]

Found these: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/06/15/warhammer-40k-online-the-first-images/
Bit better than trailer.

Then there's this from the site:


Two sides... Two sides don't make a good RvR setting! It's been proven time and again and still them gits stick with it :mad: Reckon "Order" would be the Imperium and Eldar... Somehow Astartes and Eldar fighting side by side rubs me the wrong way.

I'm going to go ahead and write this one off.

Can I fucking call them or can I fucking call them?

Two faction RvR is an absolute non starter. Stick a fork in this one gents.

[Rebel]

Can I fucking call them or can I fucking call them?

Two faction RvR is an absolute non starter. Stick a fork in this one gents.

You call every game so you're bound to get 50% right :p

And the most successful MMO (WoW) is RvR

But yeh I'm no Gamesworkshop fanboi but Imperium n Eldar don't mix together.

[OniKiy]

If they are smart they'd just pick a few races to start with. Even as someone suggested Imperium + Chaos + Ork. Put them against one another and make it a decent fight.

The other good thing about the 40K world as there are no two sides, so having a three way fight would be easily explained.

[Rebel]

I think everybody will find this quite amusing (9th post down by Hovis)

http://forums.renegade-legion.org/showthread.php?t=11967

For those with no patience, ill link the quote

I think the lesson to be learned from Vanguard, PotBS, HL2, TF2 and STALKER is that you don't know anything about a game until you've got your hands on it, no matter who makes it or how long they've taken over the development. I've played games that have been in development years that have been great, others that have been terrible.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

I think everybody will find this quite amusing (9th post down by Hovis)

http://forums.renegade-legion.org/showthread.php?t=11967

For those with no patience, ill link the quote
Hovis in unsubstantial gibber-jabber non-shocker. :shinner:

[OniKiy]

You can't expect someone to remember what they wrote down before. That would imply they thought about it before hand. :P

[Hovis]

Two years older, two years wiser, especially when it comes to MMOs.

[Khammar]

Everyone needs to remember that WOW was/is massively imbalanced in LOCAL RvR . . . only because they have cross-server matchmaking is there any kind of "even" gameplay between the two realms . . .

THAT is the major thing people always seem to forget to mention when they cite that two sides is just fine . . .

Because one side ALWAYS gets boned in a two-sided matchup.

Case in point: WAR had us fucked on a regular basis simply because we were literally outnumbered (10+ Warbands, remember) much of the time.

R-L were good and all, but that does not hold up against the absolute mobs of people. 5 of us holding off a warband for a good long while is all well and good, but got fucking boring when we got mopped up every time we tried to cap something.

So I'm (as a general rule) reticent to endorse the decision to have two sides in ANY MMO.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

Two years older, two years wiser, especially when it comes to MMOs.
Still a muppet.

[Maurgrim]

Two years older, still a jaded whingebag, especially when it comes to MMOs
Fixed for accuracy :shinner:

[Hovis]

Cry moar, amateurs. :D

[Gunhead]

First faction revealed. (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/08/21/wh40k-dark-millennium-first-faction-revealed/)

Shockingly, it's the Imperium :p

Dark Templars wasn't the most obvious Astartes chapter though and seems like the tech-priests of Adeptus Mechanicus will be playable.

[Flufball]

Is that the warp video from Dawn of War II I see? Also - That voice over was gash and the marines are giving me distinct Jeid-Star Wars Galaxies vibes. Not good. Still, we'll have to wait and see.

[Tapja]

Dark Templars wasn't the most obvious Astartes chapter though and seems like the tech-priests of Adeptus Mechanicus will be playable.

Quite logical though (Black Templars i mean) considering their homebase is the Fleet :)

[Fizzle]

Lost faith in this already they have confirmed its a two faction game which just sucks when you think what could have been done.
I wont right it off but im not holding much hope for it.

[Tapja]

A bit more info from general manager interview - http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-10-dark-millennium/705949

A few words that tickled my fancy were more FPSey gameplay and large seamless worlds. Vehicles. Also, Black Templar.

[OniKiy]

I like how it sounds, but will require a little more to see how it plays. I'd be tempted to buy it as it's 40k and they seem to get it can't be like a tradtional MMO in terms of combat.

But again, it'll come down to game play and how much it offers.

[JojoTheSlayer]

A PR rep wording himself to keep both FPSmmo and RPGmmo fans happy isnt what I would call "hard evidence" for anything. I will wait for actual gameplay before getting my hopes high, but I will admit it has potential, at least on paper and at least he didtn say "no fps its auto aim tab selection"...

[Maya]

I'm really excited for this game, I love Warhammer 40K.

I just hope that Chaos Space Marines will be playable! :D

[MiMaRz]

I'm really excited for this game, I love Warhammer 40K.

I just hope that Chaos Space Marines will be playable! :D

qtf

[Maya]

Also, speaking of Warhammer 40K, this is coming out soon:

http://ultramarinesthemovie.com/

Looks pretty badass, plus in the trailer it looks like they are fighting against Black Legion which are my favourite Chaos Marines.

[Gunhead]

New (at least to me) article from PC Gamer:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/296025/article-from-PC-gamer-UK-on-40k.html

[Lyngs]

Your mouse-handling skills will pay more of a role than they would in a standard MMO, but the team agree that it's not going to be a twitch-centric shooter. Dave clarifies: "It's still an RPG. There's still stats. Your ability as a character is related to your level and the kind of loot you have."

Meh...

[Hovis]

Your mouse-handling skills will pay more of a role than they would in a standard MMO, but the team agree that it's not going to be a twitch-centric shooter. Dave clarifies: "There's no actual skill. It's all stats. Your ability as a character is dictated by how long you've played.."


Fixed.

Yay cynicism.

Although that said stat-based-shooters can eat a bag of dicks. It fucked APB and you'd think people would learn from that.

[Gunhead]

MMO no more :(

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/29/warhammer-40-000-dark-millennium-mmo-now-single-player-game-10/

[Lyoth]

would a Diablo 3 model be too optimistic?

[Gunhead]

would a Diablo 3 model be too optimistic?

That could actually be even better than a "traditional" mmo.

[Lyoth]

Certainly more casual friendly, without the progress/difficulty destroying connotations associated with that in MMO's :P
I hope their dev team is thinking along those lines, rather than just getting *any* game out with their current expenses in mind.