An Opportunity!

[Vasquez]

Well, guess who I was talking to today? Only Majordopehead of Dirty Dozen fame. That's the 7 years running MOH European champion winning clan. And he was the guy who organised the whole clan and trained them. And he's now making a completely kickass, totally professional BF2 clan.

He currently has 20-35 peeps set up, including myself :D and is looking to have an initial 40-50 afterwhich, membership will be VERY restricted and exclusive, like the Dirty Dozen was/is.

The clan will have a definite command structure with 4/5 man squads, platoons of 2/3 squads, divisions and so on. There will also be ranks and such. Everyone will also have specific jobs so fighter pilots will only be fighter pilots and will be in a fighter pilot squad. Jobs will be rotated regularily though. Commander positions will also be rotated, but not so regularily.

If you want to do a job or apply for a rank, you need to duke it out. So the snipers for instance will all go onto a map and the last one standing will be the clan's sniper and so on.

If you lose a duel, you cannot reapply for a month, which stops people spamming applications and encourages people to train.

Training and duels will be Sunday afternoons as this is most convinient for most people.

Rules, tactics, command structure and procedures will be very rigid. Everyone will be expected to learn (or already understand) things like room clearance, squad formations, BFMs (Basic Fighter Maneuvers), SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures), infantry tactics, armour tactice, helicopter tactics, enemy recognition and so on. If you don't know about this, don't worry, everything will be taught by myself, Dope and many others with military background and/or an in depth knowledge of the subjects.

Rules such as radio etiquete must be adheared to. If you start chatting about your girlfriend in the middle of a match or spamming music or whatever, you get a timed ban from clan matches and punishments range from timed bans to demotion to removal from the clan. This clan won't take any shit.

We're looking for people who can play as a TEAM. This is very important. If you don't wanna play or can't play as a team, you're not for this clan. You need to be very proffessional and prepared to learn.

Normally I wouldn't advertise a clan or anything like that but it seems not many people in RL are gonna be playing BF2 for very long so I will be joining this clan competetively. And, I'd love some people from RL to come along and join us. I know we're all team minded, good guys with good FPS skills, experiance and so on and I'm sure Dope will be happy, nay, lucky, to have any of you guys.

Sorry if this seems like a betrayel or something but we're planning to go for the big league. Hardware prizes such as games and PCs will be kept by the individual, cash prizes will go to one person who we all vote for as man of the match.

There's a LOT of info about this clan and I can't explain it all here so ask any questions you have and let me knoe if you're interested and I'll let you know how to apply.

It sounds very boring now I type it all out but if you're even remotely interested, I'll get Dope to talk to you on TS and you'll see how amazing this is gonna be :D

[FuSs]

good luck to you.
i will stay with RL tho and make the best of what we have.

[One Armed Scissor]

I'm in too :D:D:D. (if BF2 runs on my PC)

He has his sights set high, he wants us to be european champions.

He has the whole plan laid out, and hopefully we will pull it off and be euro champs :D.

[Hincey]

Normally I wouldn't advertise a clan or anything like that but it seems not many people in RL are gonna be playing BF2 for very long so I will be joining this clan competetively. And, I'd love some people from RL to come along and join us. I know we're all team minded, good guys with good FPS skills, experiance and so on and I'm sure Dope will be happy, nay, lucky, to have any of you guys.



Umm think most of us are playin BF2 and even if there isnt the only tag i'll be using is [RL]. IMO its a bit shit to post something on our forum tryin to recruit for this uber squad but....GL i suppose

[GuardianAnge1]

soz vasquez, i'm sticking with RL. I would love to join, but I find that my bond with RL is more important then one with some (sorry to say, imo) hot shot who thinks he can win big (not saying he can't). I also recommend that you rethink your move mainly becuase you've been part of RL for a long time, and I would feel left out without you spinning those blades next to me (ie helo pilot).

I'm saying no, and I'm gonna ask you this:

Is pretty much leaving RL (wont have much time if youre gonna compete) for a shot at the top (when you might fail completely) worth it?

We can be trained, but we also want to have fun too. We have a lot of people willing to play, and all of us vets. from PS know that this IS our game.

Sorry to see your decison :(

[leanmeankillingmachine]

Im also gonna be sticking with RL, theres no need to take games too serious, Ive seen some of the "organized" clans in MOH and BF and to be honest I didnt think they were all they were made up to be.

I play games to relax and all this bollocks about "room clearence" and "Squad formations" is a waste of time, at the end of the day the dynamics of how a game works to how a real life army unit works are different and trying to mimic them is just sad in my opinion and takes out all the fun.

However, Im not having a dig at you Vaz and wish you and your BF2 clan well,

[Ludicrouse]

Well, guess who I was talking to today? Only Majordopehead of Dirty Dozen fame. That's the 7 years running MOH European champion winning clan. And he was the guy who organised the whole clan and trained them. And he's now making a completely kickass, totally professional BF2 clan.

He currently has 20-35 peeps set up, including myself :D and is looking to have an initial 40-50 afterwhich, membership will be VERY restricted and exclusive, like the Dirty Dozen was/is.

The clan will have a definite command structure with 4/5 man squads, platoons of 2/3 squads, divisions and so on. There will also be ranks and such. Everyone will also have specific jobs so fighter pilots will only be fighter pilots and will be in a fighter pilot squad. Jobs will be rotated regularily though. Commander positions will also be rotated, but not so regularily.

If you want to do a job or apply for a rank, you need to duke it out. So the snipers for instance will all go onto a map and the last one standing will be the clan's sniper and so on.

If you lose a duel, you cannot reapply for a month, which stops people spamming applications and encourages people to train.

Training and duels will be Sunday afternoons as this is most convinient for most people.

Rules, tactics, command structure and procedures will be very rigid. Everyone will be expected to learn (or already understand) things like room clearance, squad formations, BFMs (Basic Fighter Maneuvers), SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures), infantry tactics, armour tactice, helicopter tactics, enemy recognition and so on. If you don't know about this, don't worry, everything will be taught by myself, Dope and many others with military background and/or an in depth knowledge of the subjects.

Rules such as radio etiquete must be adheared to. If you start chatting about your girlfriend in the middle of a match or spamming music or whatever, you get a timed ban from clan matches and punishments range from timed bans to demotion to removal from the clan. This clan won't take any shit.

We're looking for people who can play as a TEAM. This is very important. If you don't wanna play or can't play as a team, you're not for this clan. You need to be very proffessional and prepared to learn.

Normally I wouldn't advertise a clan or anything like that but it seems not many people in RL are gonna be playing BF2 for very long so I will be joining this clan competetively. And, I'd love some people from RL to come along and join us. I know we're all team minded, good guys with good FPS skills, experiance and so on and I'm sure Dope will be happy, nay, lucky, to have any of you guys.

Sorry if this seems like a betrayel or something but we're planning to go for the big league. Hardware prizes such as games and PCs will be kept by the individual, cash prizes will go to one person who we all vote for as man of the match.

There's a LOT of info about this clan and I can't explain it all here so ask any questions you have and let me knoe if you're interested and I'll let you know how to apply.

It sounds very boring now I type it all out but if you're even remotely interested, I'll get Dope to talk to you on TS and you'll see how amazing this is gonna be :D


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAA

*Pauses for breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH...


HAHA!

[Ludicrouse]

On a side note.... If im Admin on the RL server and see u come on with an RL tag when your playing competitivley with {SHATCLAN} then ill kick ya till u drop the tag :)

[Vasquez]

Well, I too have a very strong bond with RL. I love this outfit/clan/guild and I love the people in it. But, I don't think (and I may well be wrong here) that RL is gonna take BF2 really seriously and play like real pros. I mean I'm sure we'll own and I'm sure we'll be great but I really want the discipline and the tactics that this offers.
I'm not leaving RL, if thet's ok with everyone, I still wanna play with you guys but I also want to go and do this. I don't want to leave you behind which is why I posted this. I'm not trying to steal players or destroy RL and I don't want anyone to leave RL, I just want someone to play with /puppy dog eyes (awwwww!).

If I don't enjoy this new clan, I'll certainly come back and play properly with RL but if not I'm hoping some of you guys will come along. Especially you, GA. I'd have thought you'd jump at the chance to do something big and open with tactics and strategies and organization. I see why you say no, but if I do decide to go, and do stay on, I shall miss you :(

Anyway, I forgot to mention that this guy has his own 12ghz, 2gb RAM, 8mbit connection server :D And if we need a pay server, he'll probably pay for it all.

[Paradine Hawk]

Good Luck Vas if u do decide to join them but, as they say, it's just a game for me and I can't commit to any serious stuff.
I'am too old for all that malarky ;)

[leanmeankillingmachine]

. But, I don't think (and I may well be wrong here) that RL is gonna take BF2 really seriously and play like real pros. I mean I'm sure we'll own and I'm sure we'll be great but I really want the discipline and the tactics that this offers.


Just thought of something, has anyone actually played this game or a demo ?
We all seem to be making some decisions and all Ive seen so far is the trailer and have no idea of how the game will actually play.

[GuardianAnge1]

Well, I too have a very strong bond with RL. I love this outfit/clan/guild and I love the people in it. But, I don't think (and I may well be wrong here) that RL is gonna take BF2 really seriously and play like real pros. I mean I'm sure we'll own and I'm sure we'll be great but I really want the discipline and the tactics that this offers.
I'm not leaving RL, if thet's ok with everyone, I still wanna play with you guys but I also want to go and do this. I don't want to leave you behind which is why I posted this. I'm not trying to steal players or destroy RL and I don't want anyone to leave RL, I just want someone to play with /puppy dog eyes (awwwww!).

I'm up for full dicipline. In WoW, for example, they started out with a few serious people and then found more people that were as serious as them. I am serious about this, and those that arnt will play on our server and will play with us, but when it comes down to leagues and stuff, they will just not play if they're not serious - same with Molten Core...


If I don't enjoy this new clan, I'll certainly come back and play properly with RL but if not I'm hoping some of you guys will come along. Especially you, GA. I'd have thought you'd jump at the chance to do something big and open with tactics and strategies and organization. I see why you say no, but if I do decide to go, and do stay on, I shall miss you :(

Anyway, I forgot to mention that this guy has his own 12ghz, 2gb RAM, 8mbit connection server :D And if we need a pay server, he'll probably pay for it all.

I do want to play with you, I just want to have my RL tag on. If RL didnt mean so much to me (/sob) I'd take this chance. Please rethink your choice.

[Flufball]

What Vasq is saying with all this tactics and whatnot stuff is that (reading between the lines here) he wants somthing that resembles a millitary structure....

[GuardianAnge1]

yeah, and thast what i want too..

maybe i should get my brother to post - he knows his military stuff very well and is determed to get RL to play like it in BF2

[Flufball]

Just thought of something, has anyone actually played this game or a demo ?
We all seem to be making some decisions and all Ive seen so far is the trailer and have no idea of how the game will actually play.

Bloody right.

Theres no point making ideas about how your going to drag this person or that person into the legion to calculate tactics about making sure your plane takes off when the moon is correctly alligened with jupiter, mars and skully's head when we haven't even tried the game yet.

Personaly, while I will play in that style if I need to (or the clan has rules about that style), I think trying to take the millitary style into a game is a load of rubbish, and that only some of the ideas work not all of them.

I also can't quite imagine any form of RL becoming a millitary thing with fancey squads, (I fully support hovis's planetside tactics of having everyone pair off with everyone, for the same reasons I supported it for CS:S: 90% of matches are got on the same evening), uniforms and fancey rank titles: "Commander and lord of the lobotomised tanks everywhere Ludi" just doesn't seem right compared to plain old Ludi........

Lets just wait and see untill the game (or demo) is released ok?

[Vasquez]

Well, from what I've been talking with the other guys about, we're starting off on a military basis i.e. using real military tactics. It's not a roleplay, we're just bringing real tactics into a game because in theory, the BF2 engine should allow for them. However, one of our number 1 priorities is to learn the engine down to the pixel. Then we'll redo all our tactics, strategies, rules and so on so that they work in the game. There's no point using military tactics to get behind a tank if there are no hit locations and so on.

Now that I see few of you are interested so far, I am considering staying with the legion for BF2...

What I might do, is play with the legion for the first couple of weeks and see how it goes. I might also play with the new clan and see how that goes and make a decision. If we're playing seriously with lots of guys on regularily and we're prepared to really explore the engine and tactics then I'm definitely up for staying with RL.

[justinalot]

As long as someone actually leads this time.

CS:s was aweful all we did was say we were going to work as teams and never really did.

I dont think you can plan until the game comes out.

I really like the look of it and hope its not Typhoon rising again.

Is there a list of players that are interested?

[GuardianAnge1]

As long as someone actually leads this time.

CS:s was aweful all we did was say we were going to work as teams and never really did.

I dont think you can plan until the game comes out.

I really like the look of it and hope its not Typhoon rising again.

Is there a list of players that are interested?

I tried to get people to work together, its just that after 3-4 training sessions, people realised that the game gets boring after a while :(

When we did commmuncate and act as a team, we did really well.
___

Yes, obviously we can't make any decisions until the game comes out, but from the 20m gameplay footage I saw (even thought the guy was crap at the game), it look pretty similar to BF1942/Desert Combat.

Oh, and if people allow it, I'm up for taking a leading position :cool:

[justinalot]

Cool as long as there is someone to fight for then I am in.


Otherwise its ends up being out on the shelf along with the other games i buy after a month and then PS always wins.

[Ludicrouse]

Trouble with CSS is that it was a Rushers game... Your pretty limited Tactically by it... First come first served was the game mechanic.

BF games are totally different, you can go thru seesaw movements all day and you wont know for definate who is gonna win until that last spawn ticket disappears.


Now while i agree that CSS didnt go to plan sometimes you wasnt there when it did Justin.

Some games we totally trounced the opposition.

But lets look at what we DO know about the game.


As with all BF games it is about Quick response Transport and a sturdy defensive team. Helos are used to drop toops off into enemy territory ala Galaxy. It has various support elements to it such as, Fighter Bombers providing CAS and Tanks providing Armoured Support.

Im guessing there will be Naval support so Naval Artillery will most likely make an appearance.

The game will be very like BFV in looks and will most likely feature Ambush places.


Weaponry is definatly dispersed between the classes to encourage the use of Fire Teams.



I think we should get the Clan leaders sorted out soon after or just before the Demo is released. We dont wanna lose game time sorting out the leadership.

GREAT NEWS is that in Clan matches its usually 12v12 or 16v16 which gives us the oppurtunity to play almost all our players so no-one will miss out. It also makes organising clan matches on the spot difficult but that means we will all have pre-warning about the match up-coming :)

[GuardianAnge1]

Exactly ludi, we know some of the mechanics, so we can at least start getting everyone to understand it.

Depending on the amount of people we have playing, we should set up fire teams for sure. We're probably going to have to specialise them a bit depending on how the game plays, but it will most probably be a group of 5 with a full rage of guns.

Whats good about this game is that there is a ranking system - the more and the better you play with one class, the higher ranks you get with it and, so it seems, get more stuff to use. If we can get everyone to find a class that they like, and the train with it, we can get some good skills together.

We're also going to need to figure out good ways of getting people who spawn back to their group etc.

Obviously, these things we can't do until the game is released / demo, but until then, we can surely get a command structure together.

[Ludicrouse]

GA Ideal fire teams would be.


Fire Team Alpha
Assualt (M4/M203)
Medic (M16)
Support (M60)
Anti Tank (LAW)


Fire Team Beta
Assualt
Engineer (Shotgun)
Support
Spec Ops (M4)

Fire Team Charlie
Sniper (M24)
Sniper
Medic
Engineer


**EDIT: I think that preferably we should have at least one Medic with each fireteam. But not everyone is gonna wanna play them.

There are many more combinations. Tbh tho i think 4 man teams is the Optimal configuration for Mobility and Firepower.

These four man teams should be chosen for players who get on well and communicate efficiantly. When those Fire teams are sorted they should train together as much as possible.

[Vasquez]

Remember that AFAIK in BF2 matches, there will be no respawns, CS style. If you're dead you're dead. You'll also be limited as to what you can use so it will be like 1 fighter per team and that's it. Once it blows up, you don't get another.

Of course there will be rounds so you do get another chance but not within individual games.

And you probably don't want snipers to work in squads. Lone snipers, pissing off the enemy and pairs of snipers working from different angles is best. One tactic we discussed was having a 'little jihad'. One guy sits on a hill in a building picking off the opposition and generally pissing them off until they get so angry that they send a tank or a squad or whatever over. Then, for the good of the cause the sniper sacrafices his own life and calls in an artillery strike on the lot of them :D

You are right in choosing 4 man teams, that's generally the optimal number for a patrol/fireteam.

If I'm staying with you guys, I'd really like to see training start immediately. I.e. squads and positions and ranks and such all organised as soon as possible after release and training starting right away so that when the clan leagues are set up in a couple of months, we'll already be kick arse.

Now, from my traitorous ways I don't really expect to be taken seriosuly about anything and I'm not looking for a command position but that's how I'd like things to go myself.

[Derekian]

Guys....why don't u just wait for the game first heh?

First lets see if we like the game, then we get organised. Remeber we need to learn the game too ;)

[Ludicrouse]

Remember that AFAIK in BF2 matches, there will be no respawns, CS style. If you're dead you're dead. You'll also be limited as to what you can use so it will be like 1 fighter per team and that's it. Once it blows up, you don't get another.

Matches are gonna be like BF1942 and BFV.

You respawn and respawn until either your team loses all CPs/Tickets or the time runs out.

the only real difference between a Clan Match and a Pub Match is the number of players.

[Ludicrouse]

Guys....why don't u just wait for the game first heh?

First lets see if we like the game, then we get organised. Remeber we need to learn the game too ;)


Derek ive played every incarnation of BF games... The exclusive PCZone preview has stated that its exactly the same game mechanic. So DICE have gone with the "Aint broke, aint gonna fix it" routine....

[Vasquez]

But the engine is different. There is bullet penetration, different bullet path code, different flight physics, artillery, lock on missiles will have different ranges nd ways of working, and so on and so on.

The aim of the game is the same but the tools are all different. DC had the same/similar weapons and such but just because DC jets travel at 300 knotts giving you an elbow of around 3000 feet, dosn't mean that it will be the same in BF2.

That's why I'd like to run lots of experiments to see exactly what the best elbow is and where the best place to shoot a tank is and so on. Once we know the engine properly then we can create or adapt both game and real tactics into ultimate strategies.

[Ludicrouse]

Ofcourse there will be minor differences in the Weapons and such, but it is still the same basic gameplay and still goes by the same rules....

As for bullet penetration there was a limited amount of that in BFV anyway lol

[GuardianAnge1]

I agree with Vasq ludi - i dont see it wise to have the snipers in a group together with others. Myabe have a sniper/enig combo and have them have their personal helo to take them where its needed, or keep them on a rotation in the air for cover (a la blackhawk down :p)

If we can get enough people who are certain of what class they want to play, then we can start setting up fireteams.

EDIT: yeah, i think that if a couple of us get a demo server or whatever and then just test out weapons/vehicles/cover etc, we can see what is usefull and, if needed, we can adapt our techniques around it.

[Ludicrouse]

Myabe have a sniper/enig combo and have them have their personal helo to take them where its needed, or keep them on a rotation in the air for cover (a la blackhawk down :p)



Well DUUUURH lol

Thats what im getting at... The Snipers will either take up Overwatch in a Blackhawk or they will take up positions on the battlefield with the other 2 guys in their FT providing Close Quarters support and ammo/health replensihment.....

[Nyana]

I love the operation flashpoint setup:

2 men setup:
2x Sniper

3 men setup:
3x Commando

5 men setup:
2x Riflemen
1x Heavy Assault
1x Medic
1x AA/AT/Demo/Engi/Sniper (fill spot accordingly)

7 men setup (Grunts)
3x Riflemen
2x Heavy Assault
1x Medic
1x Officer

7 men setup (Defence)
2x Riflemen
1x AT
1x AA
1x Medic
2x Heavy Assault


I'd would love to play a Heavy Support class or Sniper class in retail, i pwnd helluvalotta people on bridges with a SAW hidden in a buildings in JiontOps :)

[One Armed Scissor]

I dont see this as "leaveing RL". Me and vasq are basically playing with Dope because he has his sights set on a competitive clan who are going to win. He has done it before and hopefully will do it again.

I really enjoy playing planetside with RL, so im never going to be leaveing RL compleately. AFAIK RL arn't going to be setting they're sights as high as Dope to win the European Championships or soemthing.

I still haven't 100% decided who i want to play with. So you still may be stuck with me :D.

[Oselly]

what the hells the fun of gaming if you take it so darn seriously.. i mean i play in leagues with my cs 1.6 clan but thats about it, normally were just having fun on a public server with random maps and its fun. Ill Go with the Legion for BF2 mainly because i'd have to play at least 1 game with you guys to have a reason for hanging around. I'd love to go around in the blackhawks and sniping people :D its what i enjoy doing because its fun really annoying other teams as they do it to me often enough

[One Armed Scissor]

Anyway, I forgot to mention that this guy has his own 12ghz, 2gb RAM, 8mbit connection server :D And if we need a pay server, he'll probably pay for it all.

If we have to buy a server we all pay a bit each.

It's 4mbit down and 2mbit up, he can upgrade if needed he says.

dual Xeons make the 12ghz

[InsanE]

jesus this is the commitment most clans are missing

im touched

[Ludicrouse]

Well tbh im a fucking BF nut... CS was fun but gets boring too quick and just doesnt have the Scale...

I want Tanks,
I want Planes.

I WANT FUCKING HUGE ASS EXPLOSIONS!



CSS = 60% Luck 40% Skill
BF = 80% Skill 20% Luck

[GuardianAnge1]

hell yeah ludi!

Anyone downloaded the masterbit video from IGN/Fileplanet/Gamespy? Like a 20min video of a guy playing - looks soooooo sweet

[Daymare]

I think most of you guys are seeing this the wrong way. I for one do not think it is shit that vasq wants to play BF 2 to make money. And if you ludi, kick him for wearing the RL tag im going to give you a really hard time , and not even skull will have enough lube to save ya ;)

Either way, I think it is important to understand that even though RL is a good clan, it is not one that is made for making money or winning compos with. If he wants to aim high, I see no reason why he should not be allowed to, and still stay in RL. It's like saying that I should be kicked out of RL because I play CS with my slesk tag on (which is a clan im in for the fun)

I wish you lots of luck vasq, and I think it is nice that you came here to tell us, however I think it is wrong to try and get all our UK vets to join you. If you chose to play with another clan, you play with another clan. I don't mind you joining up for Renegade Stuff, but please don't try to have your cake and eat it =)

Tons of luck vasq, and stick around, I am looking forward to see how you progress.

[Ludicrouse]

I think most of you guys are seeing this the wrong way. I for one do not think it is shit that vasq wants to play BF 2 to make money. And if you ludi, kick him for wearing the RL tag im going to give you a really hard time , and not even skull will have enough lube to save ya ;)

Daymare ya loon i was playing with him lol :rolleyes:

[GuardianAnge1]

lol.

daymare: i dont see why RL can't want to win at things. Fine, money is different, but why have such a pesemistic view at it?

[Nyana]

I WANT A WIGHTSAB0R OMGLOLOL

[Flufball]

Its because of the image that going with a former winning clan gives GA, i.e. It seems far more likely that someone who has won somthing before will win again, personaly I think with the right motivation the legion could easily get to the top, its just people ignore that because we don't have that "Pro" look, we are not listed with the "Pro" clans, and we are not "Competetive Pro" clans. You can see where I'm getting at? To every other player we will always be amatures untill we win somthing, even if we thrash a clan several times, if they've won money at a competition, they are the "Pro" clan and we are not.

Personaly I think its a load of bollox, I'm intrested in this clan because I want to see how well dope transferes it to BF2, my MoH clan is also looking into switching to BF2, but I'd by far and large prefer to play with the legion. I'm withholding my judgement on who to play with, if I play at all until the demo comes out

Oh and BFV was aimed at being a go-between of BF1942 and BF2, yes there will be choke points, yes there will be this that and the other, but I'm not sure that setting up specific fixed fire-teams will work.

What happens if your medic cant get on, theres a free medic and hes not part of you team, doesn't know you and refuses to play with you, he would be within his right to because hes not part of that fire-team.

Personaly I think we should set up fire-teams if we use them, as they come, and you are all forgetting one very very key thing:

This is BattleField there are tanks and planes and helicoptors, setting up three groups of four people for a game leaves us short on anyone flying or driving anything, we would be duely battered.

There is no point discussing this untill the demo actualy comes out.....

[Derekian]

Well I believe that with a bit practice and time everyone is going to learn everything (like in PlanetSide).

but some people will be just better in a helicopter and some others will be able to clear a squad alone (either that be from 1km away with a sniper or right in their face with a m4 woot :p)

So I guess everyone will do everything but when needed everyone will do what he's best at :D

[Vasquez]

RL will do well I'm sure but people don't seem to want to really go for it and spend lots of time practicing and learning tactics and strategies and sticking to them and so on. I mean we only had a few CSS practices and people got very bored and roudy in them.

If fluff decides to go with Dope, I shall join him for a short while and see what it's like. Whoever's games I enjoy more, I will play with. I dunno which it'll be...RL has all my friends and I know we're good for a laugh and can get organised when we need to but we're reluctant to experiment and do complicated things and learn new stuff...this other clan won't be initially so friendly but getting to know 3 other guys really well and working with them every week is very appealing (stop that s******ing at the back!) and really getting the engine, the tactics and the strategies down is also very appealing. Plus it'd just be something to tell the grandkids (who WILL be gamers) :p

[One Armed Scissor]

I WANT A WIGHTSAB0R OMGLOLOL

ME 2 L0L0L0L0L0L0L0L0L0L

[GuardianAnge1]

Its a hard decision:-

if people that say they want to play seriously and end up not, it will really piss me off. Course, I want to have fun, but it would be nice to acutally be in a league or something. If there are only 2 or 3 people that are as serious as me, then I'll have to make a new decision, but I hope it doesnt come to that.

[Flufball]

Hang on, how the hell did all the responsability get piled onto me, again?

Gits :p

[GuardianAnge1]

becuase:

* <3 fluf


-- hey, here's a good idea - why not get that guy to come and join RL? =)

[Derekian]

Well as I said, you can't know if people want to stick with the game untill they actually play it m8 ;)

[One Armed Scissor]

becuase:

* <3 fluf


-- hey, here's a good idea - why not get that guy to come and join RL? =)

Because for that to happen you need to let in everyone he has who are willing to play into RL.

And i doubt that will happen :(.

[Ludicrouse]

becuase:

* <3 fluf


-- hey, here's a good idea - why not get that guy to come and join RL? =)

Because for that to happen you need to let in everyone he has who are willing to play into RL.

And i doubt that will happen :(.

CMON GA!

That guy is doin us a favour by taking paul.... dont wanna invite him back :p

[One Armed Scissor]

you might still have me :p i havent 100% decided.

[Derekian]

my god paul.....what's that in ur sig lol

[One Armed Scissor]

its in the TR ts chan description too lol. every forum i go on i have that in my sig lol, i need a pc upgrade ASAP for BF2.

[Flufball]

its in the TR ts chan description too lol. every forum i go on i have that in my sig lol, i need a pc upgrade ASAP for BF2.

I have no sig like that yet I need a new PC, and I'm going to have to tie up all of my money into 2 years of a prebuilt thing, I'll be completly skint, seriously, not a penny left, I have about £15 a week spare, and I'll be paying £60 a month.....

Out of intrest though, what spec is your system?

[One Armed Scissor]

2.4ghz celeron, 512 pc 5200 RAM a microstar motherboard of soem sort and a GeForce FX 5200LE

i've removed it, i didn't really think it through.

[Flufball]

2.4ghz celeron, 512 pc 5200 RAM a microstar motherboard of soem sort and a GeForce FX 5200LE

i've removed it, i didn't really think it through.

So its better than mine then :p