Bank opening - tuesday 8pm

[Nikodemus]

Tuesday we will be opening the bank for bids on items for the first time.
Takes place at 8pm server on the allience channel.

To get acces to the allience channel, you need to download the modded version of guilded (and yes it has been fixed!):
http://www.fukt.bth.se/~k/wow/stuff/Guilded/Guilded_The_Scorned_Renegade_Legion_version_0.11_p atch_10.zip

We will be advertising an item at a time, and taking bids as normal.
Note we have some class spell tomes that will be treated as green items for anyone who needs them (as in need to read it and learn the spell).

Edit by Grom
Bidding by Post

If you can't make the bank opening on Tuesday, please send a list of MAXIMUM bids you'd offer for items, and post it in an in-game mail to Gromagrim

Just like Ebay, I will then bid for you up to your maximum amount

Mails must reach me by bank opening on Tuesday

There will be no later opening this week

[shadowkiller]

can we get a full list of wots in the bank so we know if we need 2 save dkp points up

[Gromagrim]

The Alliance Bank will be opening on Tuesday at 8pm for DKP bids

Currently in the bank;

(Set pieces, 3DKP minimum bid)
4x Lightforge Belts
1x Lightforge Bracers
4x Magisters Belt
6x Shadowcraft Belt
2x Beaststalkers Belt
1x Beaststalkers Bindings
4x Devout Belt
1x Devout Bracers
3x Wildheart Gloves
1x Wildheart Belt
4x Wildheart Bracers
4x Bracers of Valour
1x Dreadmist Wraps
3x Dreadmist Bracers
2x Cord of Elements

(Buff books, will be given free to classes at correct level)
4x Tomes of Arcane Brilliance
1x Codex: Prayer of Fortitude
6x Codex: Prayer of Fortitude II
1x Book: Gift of the Wild
5x Book: Gift of the Wild II

Recipes (1dkp minimum bid)
Adv. Armoursmithing vol I bottom
Adv. Armoursmithing vol II top
Adv. Armoursmithing vol II bottom
Adv. Armoursmithing vol III top
Adv. Armoursmithing vol III bottom

Weapons (3 DKP minimum bid)
2x Serathil
1x Julies Dagger
1x Girdle of Uther

1x Core Marksman's Rifle kit (4 fiery core/2 lava core)
(18 dkps minimum bid, you need to find a crafter and supply the arcanite and thorium yourself)

Essences and Ores (All purchasable, 4gold minimum bid)
3x Essence of Fire
7x Essence of Earth
3x lots of 8 Dark Iron Ore

[Dojun]

Essences and Ores (All purchasable, 4gold minimum bid)



What will the gold go to?

[Gromagrim]

Purchasing more bank slots and bags, we'll keep a full set of accounts on the forum.

[Shinigami]

Is there any reason to spend money on bank slots and bags for the guild bank characters? Can't you just create another alt? Seems like a waste of money to me.

[Banadan]

Actually it would be perhaps a good idea to sell bank items for gold and use the gold to buy reagents for casters on the raids. As it is now, casters have to spend own cash to buy all those thingies to do buffing of the raid and in MC, the wipes will happen and more then once.. What we can do is to sell these items for gold instead of raid points, guildies/alliance members of course would get at a great discount, but items which are not sold go to AH. The cash from AH goes to the guild bank mule and before the raid, bunch of the reagents needed for the buffs for various classes will be bought by some officer and then divided between the buffing classes on the raid.

Just an idea, but that's how it was done in the other games I was in. Wipes and such all mean new buffs and can cause great expenses and it would be not such a good thing for a person to go broke, so to say, due to raids :D Thus the guild bank, cash coming into it and guild supplying the reagents for the raid duration.

[Shinigami]

I like the idea of alchemists etc. getting some money for their work... as some people noticed I was selling potions last night, since I basically used 5 hours worth of farming in herbs.

We could maybe sell the items that aren't bid on? IE guildies would bid DKP as planned, then items that weren't bid on would be sold on the AH. They would have to be sold over a period though, to avoid market saturation.

[Daymare]

just one question: can you donate items to the guild bank?

Say I for example have farmed a shitload of herbs, but dont' need them all. Would it be possible for me to put it in the guild bank, for people to access?

[GuardianAnge1]

just one question: can you donate items to the guild bank?

Say I for example have farmed a shitload of herbs, but dont' need them all. Would it be possible for me to put it in the guild bank, for people to access?

Thats a good idea, can put other ores and leather in there to share with people, there just needs to be a stickey in the forum with an uptodate list of the items..

I think that the idea for buying the potions may end up badly, but it could be worth a shot. Un-dkp-bid on items should be left for a week or so giving people a chance to figure out if they want it, then it should be stuck in the AH for a resonable price. Money from that can then be stuck in the bank aswell.

(Maybe this calls for some posts on the forum recommending it to Blizzard to have a guild community bank etc.)

[Nikodemus]

Actually it would be perhaps a good idea to sell bank items for gold and use the gold to buy reagents for casters on the raids. As it is now, casters have to spend own cash to buy all those thingies to do buffing of the raid and in MC, the wipes will happen and more then once.. What we can do is to sell these items for gold instead of raid points, guildies/alliance members of course would get at a great discount, but items which are not sold go to AH. The cash from AH goes to the guild bank mule and before the raid, bunch of the reagents needed for the buffs for various classes will be bought by some officer and then divided between the buffing classes on the raid.
As a priest, I do like the idea ($$$$) - but if you turn it around:
A wipe for me as a cloth wearer costs like 40s in repairs if I'm unlucky. What does it cost for a plate wearer? ouch :/

The idea of a guild bank for herbs etc. would be very, very good if there was a function for it in the game. But as things are we have to store it to someone's alt chars, meaning that person will constantly have to log in and out and in and out and in ... so people can get/dump their 20 silverleaf :/

[Shinigami]

I think we could have a guild herb bank character for the potions we use in raids only... IE Major healing/mana, Greater fire protection, Greater stoneshield etc. There is no need to keep all herbs there.

[GuardianAnge1]

I think we could have a guild herb bank character for the potions we use in raids only... IE Major healing/mana, Greater fire protection, Greater stoneshield etc. There is no need to keep all herbs there.

Thats what I was about to say: Important stuff. And other then using them for raids, people can just mail this alt stuff and the person can just log on once a week and stick it in the bank. Then they just log onto the forum and update the items in the bank. Once a week there is an auction/open bank and people can use what is needed.

Things like silverleaf (that are not rare) shouldn't be put in. Good green items/rare plants/pots/rare ore etc should have a place since people will need those more (and its harder to get).

[Defiance]

The Alliance Bank will be opening on Tuesday at 8pm for DKP bids

Currently in the bank;

(Set pieces, 3DKP minimum bid)
4x Lightforge Belts
1x Lightforge Bracers
4x Magisters Belt
6x Shadowcraft Belt
2x Beaststalkers Belt
1x Beaststalkers Bindings
4x Devout Belt
1x Devout Bracers
3x Wildheart Gloves
1x Wildheart Belt
4x Wildheart Bracers
4x Bracers of Valour
1x Dreadmist Wraps
3x Dreadmist Bracers
2x Cord of Elements

(Buff books, will be given free to classes at correct level)
4x Tomes of Arcane Brilliance
1x Codex: Prayer of Fortitude
6x Codex: Prayer of Fortitude II
1x Book: Gift of the Wild
5x Book: Gift of the Wild II

Recipes (1dkp minimum bid)
Adv. Armoursmithing vol I bottom
Adv. Armoursmithing vol II top
Adv. Armoursmithing vol II bottom
Adv. Armoursmithing vol III top
Adv. Armoursmithing vol III bottom

Weapons (3 DKP minimum bid)
2x Serathil
1x Julies Dagger

1x Core Marksman's Rifle kit (4 fiery core/2 lava core)
(18 dkps minimum bid, you need to find a crafter and supply the arcanite and thorium yourself)

Essences and Ores (All purchasable, 4gold minimum bid)
3x Essence of Fire
7x Essence of Earth
3x lots of 8 Dark Iron Ore


Also, if you win the Core Marksman Kit, and you have the stuff for it (ill post the stuff for it below) you can contact me ingame (Deffy) and i'll see if i can get a specific builder to make it for free for ya, no promises tho :)

This is because RL and TS don't have an engineer who can do em.

Core Marksman Requirements:

4 x Fiery Core
2 x Lava Core
6 x Arcanite Bar
2 x Delicate Arcanite Converter (1 Arcanite Bar and 1 Ironweb Spidersilk each Converter)
2 x Thorium Tube (6 Thorium Bar each Tube)

Core Marksman Stats:

Core Marksman Rifle
Binds when equipped
Gun
64 - 120 Damage
Speed 2.50
(36.8 damage per second)
Durability 90 / 90
Requires Level 60
Equip: +22 ranged Attack Power.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Have fun on the bid and mebbe see you ingame for the winner!

[Shinigami]

Noisy guns ;)

Striker's mark please :D

[Gromagrim]

Bids by Post

If you can't make the bank opening on Tuesday, please send a list of MAXIMUM bids you'd offer for items, and post it in an in-game mail to Gromagrim

Just like Ebay, I will then bid for you up to your maximum amount

Mails must reach me by bank opening on Tuesday

There will be no further opening of the bank this week

[Gromagrim]

I think we could have a guild herb bank character for the potions we use in raids only... IE Major healing/mana, Greater fire protection, Greater stoneshield etc. There is no need to keep all herbs there. I'd suggest a dkp turn in for higher end alchemy stuff (flasks, major mana pots) and also Repair bots

Topar's already donated 2 Flasks of Titans without prompting or suggestion of reward, but I think a dkp bonus would motivate more turn-in

[Fusion]

I'd suggest a dkp turn in for higher end alchemy stuff (flasks, major mana pots) and also Repair bots

Topar's already donated 2 Flasks of Titans without prompting or suggestion of reward, but I think a dkp bonus would motivate more turn-in This has been something I wanted to get discussed in an officer's meeting :)

[Banadan]

No, giving DKP for items turned into bank is not a good idea, simply because not all professions actually have that useful items to offer. Alchemist can make those potions and those help greatly on the raid, but for example weaponsmith can't offer anything - why on earth would someone bid with their raid points on some weapon, what weaponsmith made, when they can get it for free from any other weaponsmith they know, provided they get the materials? It is very nice that someone offers something without requesting anything in return, as a nice gesture you could give that person some discount on items he/she wants, but giving DKP is not a good idea as it, basically, outrules quite few.

[Fusion]

No, giving DKP for items turned into bank is not a good idea, simply because not all professions actually have that useful items to offer. Alchemist can make those potions and those help greatly on the raid, but for example weaponsmith can't offer anything - why on earth would someone bid with their raid points on some weapon, what weaponsmith made, when they can get it for free from any other weaponsmith they know, provided they get the materials? It is very nice that someone offers something without requesting anything in return, as a nice gesture you could give that person some discount on items he/she wants, but giving DKP is not a good idea as it, basically, outrules quite few. How else do we repay alchemists for the 20-30g worth of materials needed by a Flask of the Titans? What about Engineers needing to spend 8-10g per repair bot plus farm Gnomeregan for fused wiring?

[Peete]

Then I'll stop giving my über-boring-to-fish stonescale eels for free then...

[Banadan]

By re-compensating the material cost from the guild banker for the items donated. Cash for cash, not DKP.

[aresmares]

Currently in the bank;
4x Lightforge Belts
4x Magisters Belt
6x Shadowcraft Belt
4x Devout Belt
4x Wildheart Bracers
4x Bracers of Valour
4x Tomes of Arcane Brilliance
6x Codex: Prayer of Fortitude II
5x Book: Gift of the Wild II


i wish there were so many lvl 60's (or lower) who need all these but i doubt about.
As i have said before i will consider a guild bank successfull when not full of junks :D
and -face it- in a week its full of high lvl junks.

So after biddings have finished done today a good bank must be an almost empty bank and not a pain in the ass to manage.

If not better start random rolling extra pieces ... some gold from AH wont hurt.
Or better liquidate and set epic mounts for bids ... wont hurt either.
(last one will drop prices in AH if done the wrong way hehe)

For the History: from previous EQ experience the guild banks were never so big, they were just used to pay for major raid expendables and to provide some spells etc to the right classes at high end lvls when market prices were insane.

[Nathaniel]

Quick query:

presumably if no one is bidding who needs the item for his set you could bid for items with dkp to sell on AH for thos who need gold?

[Fusion]

Quick query:

presumably if no one is bidding who needs the item for his set you could bid for items with dkp to sell on AH for thos who need gold? Not this week.

[Gromagrim]

Peete: I think Stonescale eels will be worth a turn-in as well, IF we decide to go with the system.

The items will only be worth DKP when we ask for them, so dropping a repairbot every UBRS run wouldn't count.

On the 'junk' comment: This stuff has been collected over the past month or so by the officers, and a few more guild-spirited renegades, very little of it actually came in during the last week of DKP raids


Update: The bank now also contains 1xGirdle of Uther

[Gromagrim]

Bank (http://forums.renegade-legion.org/showthread.php?t=1604) now stickified

[patricia]

I was reading about the bank dkp sell , and was shocked. Why do people get too buy for there alts ? Seen the dreadmist set go, while we have an upcomming warlock who's starting too get into the 50's. Its really a shame too waste those on alts, this will never benifit our guild.
I Thought the DKP system was ment for gearing up the guild and doing things for the greater benefit. Can't see how these things go together.

[Banadan]

Then those upcoming warlocks should get it themselves. If they don't read the forums, then that's their fault, forums should be read by all. Not to mention that if the main char would ask for some item in guild bank, they'd always get the preference over the twinks, but since they didn't ask for it, there's no one to blame. Basically, everyone should read the forums and tell what they want from the guild bank and they'd get it before the twinks, if they would want it for their main char.

[TheIcon]

Then those upcoming warlocks should get it themselves. If they don't read the forums, then that's their fault, forums should be read by all. Not to mention that if the main char would ask for some item in guild bank, they'd always get the preference over the twinks, but since they didn't ask for it, there's no one to blame. Basically, everyone should read the forums and tell what they want from the guild bank and they'd get it before the twinks, if they would want it for their main char.

And those upcomming warlock hget DKPs where ?

[Fusion]

And those upcomming warlock hget DKPs where ? Everyone starts with 3 points and main characters get priority over alts.

[Gromagrim]

Including the ability to go into negative DKPs when they're not bidding against other members of their class. Please read the DKP rules before inventing problems that aren't there

[TheIcon]

ah well sorry my bad, I wasent sure if the general use of the point system was to be used on people not able to yet fully part take in the acctural raids. So it would mean that I at level ... for instances 52 or something, even if I cant yet go to UBRS I could use up 3 points and enter negative score and bid on an item once in a bank aucction. And ofcause would not beable to bid again untill I'v done a few runs of DKP's later on and earned some points.

And I dident want to creat a problem that wasent there I was asking out of intereset as I honestly dident believe people (even if main toons) could bid outside the level range of the instances where the DKP's apply.

[Banadan]

As far as I am concerned, the guild bank shouldn't even take DKP's. Or if it does, then it should be done so that each char has to have own DKP's. That is, main chars don't bid with their DKP's for their alts, alt has to earn own DKP to bid on items. Or, if some main who can use the item needs it (but has no DKP) and some alt can use it too, but is, as was said, alt char, then the main would still get it, even if has no DKP's. Whether that main gets it for free or donates a modest monetary amount would be decided by 'bankers'. Basically, there are different options available and if someone's main char and someone elses alt char want to get the same thing, mains would always get it first, no matter the DKP.

Of course, another issue here is that if this main char does not read the forums and neither participated online when the bank was opened, then that's the main chars own error. People don't have to be online always, but forums need to be checked by everyone. If some main char never reads the forums and misses something in-game, there's no one to blame. Reading forums is mandatory, as a lot of information passes through them.