Graphics Card

[Vasquez]

Which is better?

http://komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120304&cks=PLC

Or

http://komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=122901&cks=PLC

One is 15 pounds more but the other one is a Saphire which I understand are very good...

[Ludicrouse]

Tough one


I used to have a PowerColour 9800 myself and it wasnt too bad....


This one has more memory than the Sapphire which can be a huge help when playing HL2 and Doom3....

[JojoTheSlayer]

Ludi, there both 128...

I would go for Sapphire Radeon.

The cards are both alike. Bad thing about both cards are the fans. I have read about fan failures on both cards. I have the PowerCooler card and no problems so far, but considering the price I would go for the cheaper one since the only real diffrence is the sticker :)

[One Armed Scissor]

get a 6600GT £129 from that klomplett site.

read this: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041119/index.html

shows you how its better. i'll be getting one in a few weeks. and then after that a new mobo and CPU :p (and perhaps RAM) so i will be playing BF2 afterall :D.

[Ludicrouse]

Paul.... ATI > Nvidia

[Ludicrouse]

Ludi, there both 128...

I would go for Sapphire Radeon.

The cards are both alike. Bad thing about both cards are the fans. I have read about fan failures on both cards. I have the PowerCooler card and no problems so far, but considering the price I would go for the cheaper one since the only real diffrence is the sticker :)


It says in the Part Description it has 256Mb RAM m8 :)

[Vasquez]

Should I get a third party cooler for it? If so, which one?

And how about this?

http://komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=307192&cks=PRL

[One Armed Scissor]

Paul.... ATI > Nvidia

Not in this case.

[Ludicrouse]

Paul.... ATI > Nvidia

Not in this case.
In every case

[Vasquez]

Here's a queation...can I get a PCI-E card???

My mobo is an ABIT AV8 3rd Eye and my case is a Chieftec Dragon if that is any help...

[One Armed Scissor]

the Radeon 9800 Pro can't keep up with the 6600 GT AGP in most areas.

Case closed, fanboy.

[Ludicrouse]

But your comparing a Next Gen card to an Old Gen Card you scouse plonka!

[One Armed Scissor]

Its ATi's best AGP v Nvidia's best AGP.

Vasq im getting this 6600GT: http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=307919&cks=SER

woo free keychain

[Ludicrouse]

Its ATi's best AGP v Nvidia's best AGP.



OMG PAUL!

You noob.... since when has the 9800 been ATis best AGP????


Try the X800XT PE m8.... which i must say. TROUNCES all Nvidia cards!

[Derekian]

Paul.... ATI > Nvidia
Quoted for emphasis.....

[Vasquez]

Er...stop it?

Moving swiftly on.

Do I need a cooler for the 9800? Like what?

Can I use a PCI-E card?

If not, is the 6600GT wother the extra 30 quid?

[Mastacheif]

Its ATi's best AGP v Nvidia's best AGP.



OMG PAUL!

You noob.... since when has the 9800 been ATis best AGP????


Try the X800XT PE m8.... which i must say. TROUNCES all Nvidia cards!

the x850 maybe be slightly and i mean slightly faster than a 6800 ultra, the x800 isnt even close.

Now i was a ~ATI fanboy but i became a serious gamer and decided to drop all loyalties.

I have 3 machines

AMD 3000+
1GB of ram
Nvidia XFX 6600GT

P4 2.8 prescott
1GB of ram
Nvidia Galaxy 6600GT (replaced a Powercooler 9800pro that had planetside issues)

AMD 64 4000+
1GB Corsair pro
2 x 6800gt Sli

Ati have lost there way the 6600gt is the better option if you can get a SLi pci-e compatable one than all the better for future expansion.

(b4 you say SLi wont take off both graphics companies are commiting to it.)

[Mastacheif]

Er...stop it?

Moving swiftly on.

Do I need a cooler for the 9800? Like what?
- Extra expense may as well get the 6600

Can I use a PCI-E card?
-Do you have a PCI - E compatable board

If not, is the 6600GT wother the extra 30 quid?
-Hell yes

[Shinigami]

Laws of the universe #23432: Eventually, all threads about graphic cards will degrade to the level of 'OMG you n00b! ATI WTFpwnz0r Nvidia!1111'

[Vasquez]

I have an ABIT AV8 3rd Eye. I do not know if that is PCI-E compatible or not...

[One Armed Scissor]

Its ATi's best AGP v Nvidia's best AGP.



OMG PAUL!

You noob.... since when has the 9800 been ATis best AGP????


Try the X800XT PE m8.... which i must say. TROUNCES all Nvidia cards!

the x850 maybe be slightly and i mean slightly faster than a 6800 ultra, the x800 isnt even close. and has a free keychain :o

Now i was a ~ATI fanboy but i became a serious gamer and decided to drop all loyalties.

I have 3 machines

AMD 3000+
1GB of ram
Nvidia XFX 6600GT

P4 2.8 prescott
1GB of ram
Nvidia Galaxy 6600GT (replaced a Powercooler 9800pro that had planetside issues)

AMD 64 4000+
1GB Corsair pro
2 x 6800gt Sli

Ati have lost there way the 6600gt is the better option if you can get a SLi pci-e compatable one than all the better for future expansion.

(b4 you say SLi wont take off both graphics companies are commiting to it.)


i ment the 6600GT AGP

and ludi i think it means in its price class, i dunno i dont know about computers, but what ive read thet 6600GT is better for the price.

The only GPU in its class with support for Microsoft DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 3.

[Mastacheif]

its agp only but the 6600 is stil > 9800 every benchmark will show the same

[One Armed Scissor]

i get my 6600GT in a few weeks hopefully :D:D:D:D

[One Armed Scissor]

I have an ABIT AV8 3rd Eye. I do not know if that is PCI-E compatible or not...

no PCI-e on that board.

don't take my word for it. all i did was search klomplett for you're mobo and see what it said.

[Ludicrouse]

I was exactly teh Opposite MC m8,

Nvidia fanboi all my life... until... duh der derrrrr... the FX5200Ultra

OMG was that shit! So i went 9800pro and OMGWTFPWNAGE!

I have seen a Sli'd 6800 Ultra running, sure its quick but its only 40-60% efficiant....

the orice makes it outta rech of the casual player. Sorry but Bang for buck the X800XT trounces the Nvidias.

Oh and Pixelshader 3! Hahahaha... How many games use pixelshader 3???

4? 5? 6?..... ATi is using their Next gen (Yes the X800 is the old gen... its the end of the Radeon series) with Pixelshade 3 :)

[Echor]

I have an ABIT AV8 3rd Eye. I do not know if that is PCI-E compatible or not...Its not and I doubt that you'd see much difference between those 2 cards, (when a package says lite, it usually means there's less of something though)

[Vasquez]

Ok...so if I went for the Powercolour, what about getting a third party fan/cooler to put on it? Komplett don't do VGA coolers as far as I can see so I was thinknig about overclockers who have a good range (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Other_Coolers_57.html). Are they any good? And which one (or more) of those sounds good?

I'm slightly confused about all the 6600s. My budget for the card is a max of about 130 pound. There's a 6600 256mb for 100 quid. There's a 6600GT 128mb with DVI for 125 quid. And there's a 6600GT 128mb with 2xDVI for 134 quid.
Which one is best/best value for money? Would I need a cooler for that?

I could even get a B grade product:

http://komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=307411&cks=PRL

or

http://komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=305627&cks=PRL

Please help, I kinda need to know today what I'm buying...

[Derekian]

Unless you want to o/c the carda lot you don't need a cooler other than the one it already has imo.

Now about the 6600 I don't think u need 2xDVI :D, I would go for the 6600GT 128mb

[Vasquez]

Ok, thanks. I'll probably get that but I'd appreciate more opinions :)

[Mastacheif]

you know were i stand

One of mine bought from here Tekheads XFX 6600gt (http://tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=603810)

But they do a cheaper version tekheads Club 6600gt (http://tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=604617)

[Vasquez]

Wll I've ordered it :)

I just hope this fixes all my problems...

[One Armed Scissor]

i think ill get my 6600GT from that tekheads, free game :D

[Hovis]

HERE IS THE WORD OF THE BREAD.

A week ago I saw a graphics card. I won't tell you what that card was. I won't tell you what it could do. I won't tell you when it's coming out.

What I will tell you is this:

No matter what your situation is, I repeat, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR SITUATION IS, do NOT buy a graphics card at this time. Wait. You will know what you are waiting for when they hit the shops. Fungi in glaciers on Pluto are going to know when these things hit the shops.

If you must buy anything then get a PCI-E motherboard.

[Ludicrouse]

Hovis.... if you dont tell me what card it is i will make a Bean Toasty out of YA!!!!

[One Armed Scissor]

I think he means crossfire.

[Vasquez]

Thanks, great time to tell me :/

Would that be the G70 hovis? Or the R520? You could just randomly hit the G or R button on your PC by mistake or do a /nod which I'm sure won't be breaking any NDAs you mgiht be a part of :p

[One Armed Scissor]

HERE IS THE WORD OF THE BREAD.

A week ago I saw a graphics card. I won't tell you what that card was. I won't tell you what it could do. I won't tell you when it's coming out.

What I will tell you is this:

No matter what your situation is, I repeat, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR SITUATION IS, do NOT buy a graphics card at this time. Wait. You will know what you are waiting for when they hit the shops. Fungi in glaciers on Pluto are going to know when these things hit the shops.

If you must buy anything then get a PCI-E motherboard.

What about those who cant afford the PCI-e mobo and want to be able to play halo with decent fps?

[Hovis]

Gesus Vasquez I can't be everywhere. Seriously though if I'd had the net working sooner I'd have said something sooner.

As it stands I feel the pain of AGP users, since I run a sweet AGP system which I will probably have to shell out a lot on to put right.

Bread respects the NDA, but Bread is not breaking the NDA to tell you this:

The next generation cards are coming this summer.
I cannot give you any information about speeds because I know what I know. If I didn't know it I could happily speculate but because now I'm privy to the facts I'm sworn to secrecy. However ya'll know that the Bread wouldn't be getting this hot under the collar if we were talking small potatos.
When these cards hit the shelves prices for existing tech will drop as ya'll know it would.

[Endangerment]

is this the pci-e stuff. i was looking and saw alot of boards (for under £100) with pci-e 16x. is this good? does it go faster, the the fuck is it anyway? bread i understand u have knowledge about these and so ar elimtied about what u can say, but can u just give me the gist? are they better than agp, if so by a lot (no numbers - i rarely understand them anyway) and should i be looking to move into this now or when it goes mainstream, my local cheap pc shop www.microdirect.co.uk already stocks them

[Hovis]

PCI-E 16x is what graphics cards connect to. You'll be wanting at least one of those on any board to run a PCI-E graphics card.

Bottom line is AGP has been on the way out for the last few years. When the 6800 generation of cards appeared it was essentially the last time that AGP would be competitive. If you are looking for a new motherboard you need to be looking at PCI-E x16 for your graphics. PCI-E x1 is weeny ports that nothing actually uses yet.

[Vasquez]

Fuck.

My PC is broken and I need to fix it with a new gfx card. I don't think I can go without PC games until then. However, I should be getting a nice job soon so I can probably afford to upgrade twice this year...

[One Armed Scissor]

Is it ATi's 512mb card?

[Vasquez]

Just installed my new 6600GT, went smoothly and is working.

I'm gonna test it and see if it has fixed my perpetual problem of random restarting in games...

[Vasquez]

Fuck.

Played FarCry for about 10 mins and then my PC restarted. The only components left to replace the my Chieftec Dragon Case, my ABIT AV8 3rd Eye mobo, my Athlon64 3500 CPU and my 1024mb of PC3200 RAM.

I'm thinking I should replace the RAM...if I replace the mobo, I have no graphics card, the CPU will be about 150 quid so that's a last resort, RAM is only 90 quid and it seems more likely.

[One Armed Scissor]

can i have you're old g-card please :)

[Vasquez]

If you pay me, sure.