Bad news and more news

[Hovis]

The repeat run of our old sails got denied. Apparently they look modern. WTF? Anyway short of mugging Leuce for his account, or paying for it, or whatever, we're basically going to need a new look. I have put an offer out there of a fat pile of cash for anybody who can cook up a new look for RL's fleet, maybe somebody will come up with something amazing.

Thread is here;

http://www.burningsea.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45998

[Ardesco de la Furia]

Bad news i couldnt find the Fish Bone sail file, Good news is i found the barbary coast ones. :shinner:

[Averell Dalton]

The repeat run of our old sails got denied. Apparently they look modern. WTF? Anyway short of mugging Leuce for his account, or paying for it, or whatever, we're basically going to need a new look. I have put an offer out there of a fat pile of cash for anybody who can cook up a new look for RL's fleet, maybe somebody will come up with something amazing.

Thread is here;

http://www.burningsea.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45998

The old user content system allowed a lot of 'modern' stuff to slip through, while the new system catches a lot more.

As you know, the 'kamikaze' flag was quoted as one of the designs let slip through.

If you think it is worth it, mug Leuce for his account for a month, or check if there is a returning players deal.

[Hovis]

We've got a bite on the forum thread. Big wolf skull. Looks pretty cool.

[Averell Dalton]

I answered, would prefer the wolf skull face on.

[Hovis]

I answered, would prefer the wolf skull face on.

You need to edit that post. You've accidentally slagged the guy off.

[Averell Dalton]

Posted another message apologising if I did slag him off.

[Hovis]

Posted another message apologising if I did slag him off.

You said that you 'would not say that what he did was good', think you lost a spare not in there :D

Anyway I sort of like the idea. Skulls are cool.

Ardesco is coming back too, so he might be able to help.

[JojoTheSlayer]

How about taking the Spanish animal and putting a wolfs head on it and drop the crown?
http://www.fudo.es/img/logoarmada.jpg
If 15th century isnt old enough... what is? EG (http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~heraldry/picture21.gif)

Or something like this?
http://images.gametrailers.com/images/userimages/1151960-1197857548-WolfSymbol.jpg
Looks a bit disturbing.
Having sails like that, you can kinda tell they are not diplomats.

[Lera el Benigno]

How about something like this?:P

[Averell Dalton]

Or something like this?
http://images.gametrailers.com/images/userimages/1151960-1197857548-WolfSymbol.jpg
Looks a bit disturbing.
Having sails like that, you can kinda tell they are not diplomats.

Now that I like, I really, really like.

[Maurgrim]

I think it's too emo :D

[Hovis]

I like the wolf looking thing too. We're allowed it to be a little emo anyway. :D

There are a few more suggestions up on the thread.

[Endangerment]

i think i still have about 6 copies of the original wolf logo, and i've just got the internets back, could always re-sub potbs :)

[Hovis]

You'd need a Rocky style training montage to get back up to speed. :D

[Endangerment]

saw the boosh live last week actually, so that may just be within my grasp. Luckily I'm more of a boxer than a French Duke!

[Hovis]

saw the boosh live last week actually, so that may just be within my grasp. Luckily I'm more of a boxer than a French Duke!

Just as well. Last week we hit a British heavy squad so hard their legs turned into trombones. It was genius. It was embarrassing.

[Averell Dalton]

Just wondering which one of the two you prefer, then I could look at working on sails and flags, maybe one day :p

[Hovis]

I like the first one.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

How is the style not modern? Its too abstract imo. But if i had to choose, yes the first one.

[Averell Dalton]

Go Vote.

[Lera el Benigno]

If the other one was too modern i bet this one will be also

[Ardesco de la Furia]

too much gradient aswell... guess we'll see =/

[Hovis]

I dunno, it looks less modern than the last one.

[Seraph]

Hey that's really cool, it looks like a wolf and a sword, perhaps if the bottom of the jaw was slightly closer, to give the sword a straight or even tapering appearance. Nice though, good luck with FLS.

[Averell Dalton]

We will see what happens.

[Averell Dalton]

We will see what happens, I will modify according to FLS comments, or give to someone to modify ;)

[Averell Dalton]

Going to withdraw the one above and submit this one, looks much better.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

It might pass, might. Texturing on the design and any gradient, like the one on the edge, are 2 big no-no's. In addition to the fact its too opaque and doesnt allow enough sail texture through. I sound like a critical douche but its the truth.

[JojoTheSlayer]

You guys do ask WHAT is to modern, right?
To nail down there arguments and fight them...

[Hovis]

It's just a pretty general thing. And it needs to be a general thing. Means they can stop a lot of shit getting in, if we have to pay the price, well, we'll live.

[Averell Dalton]

It might pass, might. Texturing on the design and any gradient, like the one on the edge, are 2 big no-no's. In addition to the fact its too opaque and doesnt allow enough sail texture through. I sound like a critical douche but its the truth.

Well considering I used their sail background and then weathered it using their advice I would be upset if it did not pass.
I used Gimp and so each element is on a different layer which allows me to play with it.
By the way, I have NO idea what texturing and gradient are.

[Seraph]

Gradient would be a smooth change from one colour to another or to a different shade, something they couldn’t do too well back then I guess. But as you say, weathering would achieve gradients.
Texture would be instead of a plain colour it would be metallic, marble, wood or stone effect. Something which again could accidentally be achieved through weathering, at least to a degree.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

Well considering I used their sail background and then weathered it using their advice I would be upset if it did not pass.
I used Gimp and so each element is on a different layer which allows me to play with it.
By the way, I have NO idea what texturing and gradient are.
You only weather the flags you noob. I think i need to take your liquor away now. :shinner:

[Averell Dalton]

So how does this look with the weathering removed, and I changed the colour slightly as well.

[Seraph]

That's bril. It's even better because it stands out so well. And I see 3 things now, the wolf, the sword and 2 sea creatures jumping out of the water and whispering secret manoeuvres to each other!

I can imagine enemies getting sunk simply from the awesomeness of this design :eek:

[Ardesco de la Furia]

So how does this look with the weathering removed, and I changed the colour slightly as well.
send me the files and i shall work my magic, tbh

[Averell Dalton]

Ok Ardesco, but I will need an e-mail to send to.

I can offer an .png and a .xcf file.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

Ok ive worked my magic.

I removed the gradient (that white outline on the original) from the wolf head, replaced the basic stripes with the Cross of Burgundy (Spanish Military flag) stripes, and sharpened up the wolf head.

The first flag is the standard RL Red Decal with an example on the sail picture. Next i made a "blank" decal, which uses neutral colors that can be customized to suit your taste. There are 2 examples of it one with a green decal color on dark blue background and another with the base color and dark brown/black background.

Averall just save the 1st and 3rd images (the ones on white) to your computer, if you're satisfied. They're already formatted properly and ready to go.

;)

[Hovis]

I think the stripes are a little busy. I'd cut the two inner stripes so they don't overlap the design. That way the whole lot can be one colour. Ultimately there's a lot to be said for a clean design. Have you considered also perhaps removing the two inner stripes and instead of stripes on the outside, have straight borders to the design? Could be worth a look. Personally I'm just not married to the whole wiggly Spanish stripes idea anyway, I don't think they look as good as ordinary stripes in a design which has another focus, so I mean they'd be all right on their own, but not as part of anything else.

That said with the recent batch of designs the whole sword/wolf double image thing is really strong. We get that in it's going to melt face before a shot is fired.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

/throws darts at a board

/misses the bullseye

/remembers to aim for hovis next

[Hovis]

If you're going to throw darts at me I want caek.

[Averell Dalton]

Nice work Ardesco, but...
<prepares to duck darts, shoes, anything else thrown at him>

To me the Cross of Burgundy on all 4 stripes makes it looks cluttered, could we have an example with just the basic stripes, one with the two outer stripes as Cross of Burgundy and one with the two inner stripes?

The red should be much more vibrant, a much deeper red like the original wolf head design, IMO.

Ok I see what you mean by gradient now, but I liked the white outline around the wolf head, it made it stand out more. Could we see and example with a white outline, or would that be a no-no for FLS?

Any chance I could have a picture of just the cleaned up Wolf Head? Then I use it in the future, if ever.

All in all, you have done a lot better work than I could have done and I definitely like the idea of the "blank" decal.

It looks as if I am going to put in multiple sails in the end.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

Regarding the colors, they cannot be anymore vibrant then they already are. You have to use the colors based on the ingame palette and you have to give the pattern transperancy, which dims them even more.

[Averell Dalton]

Regarding the colors, they cannot be anymore vibrant then they already are. You have to use the colors based on the ingame palette...

Oh, well the original Wolf Head Sails that we use are a much deeper red. In Beta and at release they actually had a nice scarlet in the palette but took it away :(.

...and you have to give the pattern transparency, which dims them even more.

Mummy he is using technical terms again.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

That there shape has to be abit see-thru and this causes less color to show up.

[Hovis]

It's not a massive biggie anyway, if the sail design looks a little washed out, as long as it's close to being monochrome anyway (as in one colour) we can just brighten it up in the palette.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

It's not a massive biggie anyway, if the sail design looks a little washed out, as long as it's close to being monochrome anyway (as in one colour) we can just brighten it up in the palette.
You get cake.

/takes Averall's beer away

[Averell Dalton]

/takes Averall's beer away

Nooooooooooo!

<opens a bottle of wine instead>

Wait a minute it is almost 10am!

<puts cork in bottle and drinks a pint of coffee>

[Averell Dalton]

By the way doing a right click and saving the image does not work as you get the black under title as well and if you remove that the image is not 256x256.

Some feedback I have had is that it looks more like a Fox than a Wolf.

Otherwise I have being trying to get a black outline.

All I really wanted was a sail with 4 vertical stripes with the Wolf's head on top and now the decal version as well.

A simple version really.

[Averell Dalton]

Ok, any comments? I checked about the colours and was told that if accepted, FLS changes it to the closest possible.
I am going to work on a black outline and white outline decal.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

looks good, just remember to lower the transperancy to atleast 90%

[Averell Dalton]

looks good, just remember to lower the transperancy to atleast 90%

Like this?

[Averell Dalton]

White outline

[Averell Dalton]

Ok just submitted these four sails, so vote.

[Averell Dalton]

If you could also vote for this one I will be happy.

[Hovis]

Those sails look officially wintacular. I'm thinking maybe we just leave flags to personal discretion in the absence of a matching design for them. Will be good to be able to run off a few million of them and dish them out to the troops :D

[Averell Dalton]

Ok, the second sail has been accepted as has my cross :D.

The white border decal has been refused, I found out that I had forgotten to make it transparent, DOH!
I am expecting the black border sail to make it through and the black border decal to be rejected.

I have already resubmitted the white border decal, having properly adjusted the transparency, and I will do the same for the black border one.

The new sail can be requested from The Doctor in Havana, Ave has about 5-6 left and my other alts just theirs.

The cross sail is mine, mine, mine, muhahahahaha! Though you never know I might give some away, maybe.

[Ardesco de la Furia]

Hovis do that elessaria or whoever the Arcadia modeler ever log on? I was hoping to give him a copy of the Barbary sails but i suppose its too late now. :(

Also grats :)

[Hovis]

Hovis do that elessaria or whoever the Arcadia modeler ever log on? I was hoping to give him a copy of the Barbary sails but i suppose its too late now. :(

Also grats :)

Yeah he's been on loads working on the new avcom.