Results: DKP Scholo run 21/5/2005

[Necto]

The following RL members have killed the following bosses.

Players:
Tilith
Poltergeist
Wothar
Nathaniel
Neraj
Shadowkiller
Leva
Necto

Bosses:
Lord Alexei Barov
Lady Illucia Barov
Instructor Malicia
Doctor Theolen Krastnikov
Lorekeeper Polkert
Darkmaster Gandling

[Fusion]

Well grats for doing an 8-man scholo run, but I fail to see how that qualifies you for DKP... :confused:

[Dojun]

For DKP you need a officer to participate. No non guilders

[Neraj]

What Necto failed to mention is that no officer other then Niko was online at the time and he was busy in Blackrock Spire.

Considering our raid consisted of 100% guild members we asked Niko if we could get DKP for killing the bosses at the end of the instance and note them down for later, to which he agreed.

I don't see any harm in this, or do I need to book one of you for a raid?

[Hincey]

Well grats for doing an 8-man scholo run, but I fail to see how that qualifies you for DKP... :confused:


why shouldnt it? So just cos you, Niko, grom Iron or reb aint there doent mean they get no DKP even tho Raj and Tilith have been in RL for god knows how long they still need an officer there so say "yes you done it you can have a DKP"? is this game becoming a bit childish? :confused:

[TheIcon]

Each raid must have an offcier present and have 100% RL members to qualify for DKP, otherwise, any mutually agreeable loot rules can be used


I think he was refering to this ;)

[Nathaniel]

We also messaged Niko to request delegated authority when it became guild only, which was granted so it does count as a DKP run. So there. :p

[Fusion]

What loot dropped? Who bought it? How much did they pay? Did you just disenchant everything? Who were the other two people?

Until those questions are answered I'm afraid it cannot count.

[Nathaniel]

k - sure

only loot of note that dropped was the shadowcraft cap which shadow as the only rogue bid upon (so 3 dkp points i guess??? - not sure if he is the only rogue and its bop???). Rest of the kit was disenchanted.

no other bids bid :)

edit: the bosses we did above we did 8man (names in necto post above)

[Necto]

k - sure

only loot of note that dropped was the shadowcraft cap which shadow as the only rogue bid upon (so 3 dkp points i guess??? - not sure if he is the only rogue and its bop???). Rest of the kit was disenchanted.

no other bids bid :)

Sorry, forgot to post this. Shadowkiller got his Shadowscraft cap for the price of 3 dkp points. Everything else got disenchanted.

[Nathaniel]

This is one example of what needs to be sorted in the dkp system for it to work.

I am ambivalent if we go to DKP or not but the rule that an officer needs to be there (or even a veteran or what new rank is coming in) for it to count is limiting.

It shows a complete lack of trust in the 8 - 10 renegades if they cant request a delegated authority if there is not an officer / veteran on the raid for DKP's to count.

I trust the officers and I think they lead by example, I know they are doing a fantastic job for the guild. People who say they are implementing DKP for greed reasons are doing them a great disservice and it is insulting to them. No wonder grom was pissed off. Conversely, Surely us lowly renegades rank must be trusted more as well to self certify DKP reports i.e. if there are 8-10 confirming the same raid results (bosses killed, loot received) surely this must be satisfactorary!? :confused:

[Banadan]

As we are right now just testing it to see how and if it works out, and what to change, remove or add, it's not such an issue. However, when/if this system would go alive, then such "random DKP" points would and should never happen.

In general, the raiding guild officers, after checking with majority of people, usually set down the raid days and times. Yes, not all days will be good for all, it just wont happen because there are so many different people from different areas. In any case, while all such days maybe would not go with all, some other days would still be OK. Let's say, for example, that the MON-TUE-WED are agreed as raiding days. Atfer that, the raid start time has to be set down. Again, this time is what would go well with majority. Basically the guild raid times mean, that on these days, at those times, ALL online chars who are of the required level participate - no messing with twinks, no random runs with random groups somewhere - those days and times are for guild activity. Raid target is chosen before the raid time and at the raid start times, people should be already on location and ready for action, not just start gathering then.

On other days, at other times, there would be no DKP runs. Because the raiding days and times are agreed upon with majority, they will work out for majority and will also keep the people "in balance", when it comes to points. Some random runs at random times, which give DKP - that's what will mess things up. It doesn't even matter if the run is with guildies only - if it is not on certain decided day and on certain decided time, so called "raid day and time", it is NOT a DKP run either. It's just a 'run' then.

And to those who say that they could not participate on some days - thats why there's generally few days for raids. Can't attend one day, no worries, you still can attend the other days. And on those days you earn DKP like everyone else, and there are NO random DKP runs on random times to create the gaps in DKP amounts. 3 days per week is fine with me, for example, over 3 gets too tedious. 1 day would be not good at all and 2 days, it's 'so-so'. But 3 days per week - that's just fine.

[Fusion]

It shows a complete lack of trust in the 8 - 10 renegades if they cant request a delegated authority if there is not an officer / veteran on the raid for DKP's to count. The total lack of accuracy is why the points cannot be counted for the reasons I listed above and:

How did they get the viewing room key without killing Rattlegore?
Did they just ignore Frostwhisper?
How did they spawn the Darkmaster without killing The Ravenian?

[Nikodemus]

Could you all please wait on the DKP update thread before posting more on this, please? =)

I hope to get it up today, but there's this cute little exam project getting in my way. :[