Items, to give or not give

[Dojun]

Last evening at the delightful meeting at SW cathedral Niko (i think) came up with the items question. Shall we give all items away in guild or only green? We have all seen fellow guildies names on AH on stuff that would be nice to have (i have sold too). So what i want in this thread is a discussion about if we should decide about items to give in guild and sell.

[Dojun]

We can do in a couple of ways i think. We can decide that all items should stick in the guild if someone needs them. The one who find an epic weapond thats worth 500+g will be very tempted to sell at AH since it is more then half the epic mount. I can understand that but in the other hand we will all in time get our epic mounts.

Well my suggestion is that we decide that all items under 100g value should be given away in guild (not stopping the reciver from tipping the giver). And all items that are worth more then that should be sold to some guilder that needs it for half the price of what it is worth, so if someone find a epic sword that would go for 500 in AH sell it in guild(or give) to someone if there are anyone that are prepared to pay 250 for it. In this way we will all be happy i think, the one that found it will get some good money for it and the buyer will get a real nice item for a good price. Well this is what i think atleast.

[Toparsokker]

I think that all set items (that are boe), and the various books (including those from dire maul) should be offered (for free) in guild. If no-one wants it/everyone has that piece, it can be sold.

For other stuff, I think its only fair to put it on the AH, but can be offered in the guild for a discount. Like the same way as with that "prestine black diamond" a while back.

[Banadan]

First, I would guess that the quest items are exactly the ones what could be given to those who needs it, for free. Like this very same Pristime Diamond thing. Owner did not need it at all, knew well that there are others who do need, even those in guild, and still chose to sell and even to guild members, discount or no discount. I don't "judge" personally that choice, after all it was the item he found and it is his right to do as he sees fit. However, it isn't the way I would have done it. If I happen to get the item, what someone in guild needs for the quest, no matter how rare or hard to get this item is, I will GIVE it to that person and ask no cash for it. Because for me, that'd be total top of the greed to ask for cash from someone for the quest item what that person needs and what I do not need at all. Sure, it isn't going to fill my purse any time soon, so what? Gear I use at my level doesn't exactly come from AH anyway, it comes from drops and quest rewards. Faster mounts? Sure they are nice, but they are not a must and one can collect cash for it 'calmly' and the old mount will still work just as good as it did before.

Such pristine diamond, I need it for my quest. Never seen it drop and chances are that if it would drop, many if not most would roll on it under whatever excuses ("I need it for my libram quest", "I need it for my sick grandma", whatever). I need 1 - I think that 1 - for my epic mount quest and given my luck, I would probably lose the roll anyway. And yet still if I would ever get an extra one and I would KNOW that there's some other paladin in the guild, who needs it for his/her mount quest, I would just give it and ask no cash for it. And same for any other item(s) what I get and don't need - I offer them in guild chat and if someone needs it, for using, they'll get it, no strings attached.

Thus, I don't think that there needs to be any 'special' rule for it, it has worked out so far and there's no reason why it wouldn't work out still. Person who is giving the item(s) will decide himself/herself how it will be done. It's a nice gesture, not a requirement.

[Necto]

I think that all set items (that are boe), and the various books (including those from dire maul) should be offered (for free) in guild. If no-one wants it/everyone has that piece, it can be sold.

For other stuff, I think its only fair to put it on the AH, but can be offered in the guild for a discount. Like the same way as with that "prestine black diamond" a while back.

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[Fusion]

Depending on my cash flow I will offer most green & blue items on guildchat, if no one wants them they either go in the AH, get vendored or sent for disenchanting.

Purple items go in the AH at a lowish starting bid with no buyout.

[Gromagrim]

I pretty much agree with Topar - Books (Prayer/Gift/Tome of Brilliance) are to the betterment of the guild, and therefore all guild members should be happy to see them go

Also set items are always recieved in guild raids, and if they're BoE and not needed, it's going to save a lucky guildie lots of time, and move us closer to another raid-equipped member

Blues in general though, I don't think should be offered - I know, as a plate wearer, that every BoE has at least 4 Blue BoP upgrades to it, so whoever recieves it will be replacing it soonish, so it's better for the AH

Epics aren't necessary untill you've killed Onyxia a few times, they're a luxury. If anyone in the finding raid will equip as an upgrade, then cool, they get it, but otherwise, the lucky roller should AH (and, if they agree, share the proceeds with the rest of group)

All in all, I think it's important we keep these as suggestions rather than rules, as has happened before - when the prayer of fortitudes skipped our priest and went to AH or (Gah!) out of guild, we got angry at the felons (:p) as we should, but we didn't discipline them, as they didn't break a rule

[Ramiraz]

Depending on my cash flow I will offer most green & blue items on guildchat, if no one wants them they either go in the AH, get vendored or sent for disenchanting.

Purple items go in the AH at a lowish starting bid with no buyout.

I more or less agree with what Kaldor says here. If an item drops when someone is not hunting with guildies it should be up to that person to decide. Items from guild raids should ofcourse be offered in /g before sold

[Nikodemus]

@Banadan:
I think you're contradicting yourself a bit :)

The paladin and warlock epic mount quests are simply ways for those classes to save money on getting epic mounts - which, as you said - is a simple luxury. A paladin doesn't need the pristine black diamond for anything but ... well, money. In this case just money saved, not money earned :)

[Banadan]

@Niko:

So is any other possible drop, what is used in quests. Bunch of these items are rare drop and the quest benefits one class more then other. Personally I still wouldn't sell some ITEM_X for cash if I would know that some guildie needs it for his/her quest, even if that quest only gives a perk to that char only and doesn't affect anyone around him/her. Yeah, I wont get rich with such way of thinking, but it doesn't matter. This person in return one day perhaps gets something what I can use, or helps me with some of my quests, for example. All the 'payment' what there is needed, and worth more then some gold :)

[Daymare]

I pretty much agree with Topar - Books (Prayer/Gift/Tome of Brilliance) are to the betterment of the guild, and therefore all guild members should be happy to see them go

Also set items are always recieved in guild raids, and if they're BoE and not needed, it's going to save a lucky guildie lots of time, and move us closer to another raid-equipped member

Blues in general though, I don't think should be offered - I know, as a plate wearer, that every BoE has at least 4 Blue BoP upgrades to it, so whoever recieves it will be replacing it soonish, so it's better for the AH

Epics aren't necessary untill you've killed Onyxia a few times, they're a luxury. If anyone in the finding raid will equip as an upgrade, then cool, they get it, but otherwise, the lucky roller should AH (and, if they agree, share the proceeds with the rest of group)



This is the system that we Use in PvP, and I find it to work quite well, however ofcourse your guild is a lot bigger, so therfore a lot more items are needed by players. In the PvP which is a bit smaller a guild, also blue items are offered from time to time, and I think this is a good way to do it. However most epics are just overrated, and therfore should be sold to some silly people browsing that Ah at all times =)

Except ofcourse if you find something really good (brainhacker two handed axe and similar) then maybe you might want to offer it to the Guild, but I myself see no reason to do so, seing that this is worth an aweful lot of money.