Pirates of the burning sea, Sail decal

[Lyngs]

I've been playing with Photoshop a bit to try and make us a sail decal. I'd love to make us one to use ingame, but before i go any further, and maybe waste time i would like to hear what you guys think of what i've done so far.

If anyone has a better font for the text let me know.

The shield in the centre is the only part which im not done with. On the first image i just put in the french flag to show what it could look like. Any suggestions are welcome.

[MiMaRz]

maybe a wolf in the middle? hehe, i think our logo is pretty cool:) "points at top of page"

[Tapja]

maybe a wolf in the middle? hehe, i think our logo is pretty cool:) "points at top of page"

Dont listen to the newb, you've done a pretty darn good job so far :)

[Daymare]

I agree that the wolf should be in the middle really. Does not mean that does not look awesome though =)

[Tapja]

I agree that the wolf should be in the middle really. Does not mean that does not look awesome though =)

Theres this thing called too much of a good thing... 2 wolf figures is plenty enough, middle is always reserved for something a tad simpler really, and the stars/crosses on blue background works for me, especially if we are going to be frogeaters.

[Hovis]

I think it's great. Only things I'd suggest are:

1. The motto, do the French do mottoes in latin or do they do them just in French? What does Primus Inter Pares mean, and how does it translate into French? Cos when it comes to mottoes, whichever sounds better is best. :D

2. I'm torn regarding the level of detail. It looks great as an image, but how will it look on the ships? Have you considered stylising things a little more? My chief concern, being a philistine and a cannon crazed death monkey, is making our design distinct for easy target ID.

I'm rubbish with photoshop, but I'll see if I can cook something up to illustrate what I mean.

[Kampf]

I've been playing with Photoshop a bit to try and make us a sail decal. I'd love to make us one to use ingame, but before i go any further, and maybe waste time i would like to hear what you guys think of what i've done so far.

If anyone has a better font for the text let me know.

The shield in the centre is the only part which im not done with. On the first image i just put in the french flag to show what it could look like. Any suggestions are welcome.

that is not acceptable as renegadelegion logo, it is only acceptable as logo for a single person within rl.
we are so much better and more worth than others outfits/clan, eaven more then augustus is better that the last wanker controling the worsest ghotto somewhere in spain.

edit: hovis it means " first under equil " wich will means i this case that we rule the others on our side atm, but we are equil and have equil right, and they can take over whenever they want.

[Lyngs]

I think it's great. Only things I'd suggest are:

1. The motto, do the French do mottoes in latin or do they do them just in French? What does Primus Inter Pares mean, and how does it translate into French? Cos when it comes to mottoes, whichever sounds better is best. :D

2. I'm torn regarding the level of detail. It looks great as an image, but how will it look on the ships? Have you considered stylising things a little more? My chief concern, being a philistine and a cannon crazed death monkey, is making our design distinct for easy target ID.

I'm rubbish with photoshop, but I'll see if I can cook something up to illustrate what I mean.

1. Primus inter pares means First among equals directly translated into english. it may be used to indicate that while the person described appears to be an equal, he actually is the group's unofficial or hidden leader.

2. it will be partialy transparrent (has to be) so it will look on the sail like it was sown into the fabric. Im not sure what you mean tho mate.

[Lyngs]

that is not acceptable as renegadelegion logo, it is only acceptable as logo for a single person within rl.
we are so much better and more worth than others outfits/clan, eaven more then augustus is better that the last wanker controling the worsest ghotto somewhere in spain.

So you think its complete rubbish then? What is it you dont like exactly and do you have any ideas instead?

[Hovis]

Ahaa I knew it was first something or other. Quite a cool motto for Pre-Revolutionary French folks I think :D

Of course when the libertie, egalitie, fraternitie crowd turn up we're all going to the guillotine with that attitude :D

What I was thinking of is something more distinct in style is what I meant. I've seen a few fleets sailing under designs which look similar to that one, not up close, but in that sort of style. Ideally I want something really distinct, so that if we get up close and stuck into the fighting our ships are instantly recognisable.

Photoshop is breaking my balls about activation at the moment though, so I can't really show you what I mean. :(

[Hovis]

So you think its complete rubbish then? What is it you dont like exactly and do you have any ideas instead?

Don't mind that landlubber Kampf. He's just got the hump cos he wants to play company of heroes :D

[Kampf]

So you think its complete rubbish then? What is it you dont like exactly and do you have any ideas instead?

well first it should be in the language of the nation we are sailing for, if u want a to have a sentence there.
but since i do not know your warsentences the only thing that comes into my mind is "for the queen" but i am shure u english spanish or where ever u are from know what your warslogans are.


having there "primus inter pares" is like calling your character legolas, 7of9, hitler, gandals, chuck norris, or angela merkel btw. this sentence has nothing to do with it, and this belongs to a great man already used in a completely different context. why are we not "deus deorum" then is it not eaven much more latincoolbullfuck than primus inter pares?


but what i would do if i could decide, i would just simply write there "renegadelegion", because it is our name and should be in our logo.

[Kampf]

Don't mind that landlubber Kampf. He's just got the hump cos he wants to play company of heroes :D

i admit, i want to play coh but that is another thing.

[Lyngs]

What I was thinking of is something more distinct in style is what I meant. I've seen a few fleets sailing under designs which look similar to that one, not up close, but in that sort of style. Ideally I want something really distinct, so that if we get up close and stuck into the fighting our ships are instantly recognisable.

Ok, gotcha. Usualy ppl use lions so i opted that out right there, also i didnt do the middle for that exact reason. My first idea was to just make a big wolfpaw print, but figured that would look too "piratey". I've been looking over the approved sail decals and honestly, not many use this type of composition. Most are either just one symbol or a plain shield with symbols. I'm pretty sure it will stand out if we come up with something "special" for the shield to be honest. anyway, its just my opinion. Can go a totaly different way if needed.

[Kampf]

Ok, gotcha. Usualy ppl use lions so i opted that out right there, also i didnt do the middle for that exact reason. My first idea was to just make a big wolfpaw print, but figured that would look too "piratey". I've been looking over the approved sail decals and honestly, not many use this type of composition. Most are either just one symbol or a plain shield with symbols. I'm pretty sure it will stand out if we come up with something "special" for the shield to be honest. anyway, its just my opinion. Can go a totaly different way if needed.

why does a big wolf look piraty our battledivers for example have a swordfish as logo.

[Lyngs]

Just to let you get a better idea of how it would look like on a sail:

Yes... i know the "p" in pares is sticking out... :rolleyes:

[Daymare]

when it comes to language, latin has always been the language of the elite, changing this is not needed in my opinon. And when it comes to design, I really can't stress it enough: Where ever you go, you want people to know exactly who just raped your ass, or exactly who just saved you and your buddies, and when one of our members joins a new game and looks around, he should see the howling wolf and know that he is home.

[Flufball]

Basicaly Bread wants something really simple and unique so that its so easy to recognise that when people see us they go "Oh fuck, its the Legion, we're offski."

A simplistic design is possibly the easist to remember, if there is too much on it people get caught up in the visiual overload. I'm buggered if I have any suggestions though...

[Endangerment]

I like it actually, looks cool

[MiMaRz]

1.lyngs mind making one with just the wolf? just curious how'd it look.
2. Changing our motto is like shooting yourself in the foot.

[Endangerment]

im not sure if this will work, but heres on fro frenchies i found that somebody has made.

forums wont let me upload for some reason

http://www.flyinglab.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4052&d=1166583856

heres a cool one - not suitable for us but shows what bread was on about i think

http://www.flyinglab.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4084&d=1166711100


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[Lyngs]

something like this?

[Hovis]

The paw looks a bit like one of the NPC pirate groups.

Have you considered using the wolf's head in a circle that is the Renegade Legion logo? Maybe in black?

That said I thought the original design you cooked up was great Lyngs, but perhaps with a little less detail.

[MiMaRz]

Have you considered using the wolf's head in a circle that is the Renegade Legion logo? Maybe in black?


just what i was thinking, aswell try to stick it in the logo you made, instead of the yellow/blue texture.

[Lyngs]

Just another "test", dont realy know what to think myself. The inner shield looks kinda too "futuristic" for PoTBS, not sure...

[Hovis]

It's tricky to gauge the style right. We also really need to work on a ship colour scheme too, before we can say what colour things should be where.

[MiMaRz]

cut the wolf out of the circle, enlarge him abit. make him black and the background red. Black/Red ftw :)

edit: or just black wolf and blue background

[Hovis]

Black and red are pirate colours, and they make the high level ships look fugly. Blue and white is looking the more likely choice at the mo I think.

[Lyngs]

Less detail... not by much i know but the shield is bigger :p

[Lyngs]

In my own oppinion, this is my best one yet. Plz comment...

[Lyngs]

Well, made it better yet. Can re colour the banner, just wanted to see how it worked in black/white...

[Ironman]

lol I was just about to say that the banner needed to be in gray as well. Nice job m8. Perhaps lighten the center wolf a bit to match the others.

[Daymare]

I think the last one looks amazing

[MiMaRz]

have to agree, last one looks sweet! agree with iron on the coloring

[Flufball]

Is there a reason why things need to be so elaborate? As in, is this a requirement for the design, or could we say - just have the text from the Legions motto in one of those flowery boxes - without all the extra wolf gubbins, as an example (that said I'm not sure how many people would just have text)?

The last one does look nice, but I'd cut off the Wolves at the side if it where me, although I'm not sure if they'd need to be replaced with something to make it look supported...

[Hovis]

I'm still torn about it. Looks like there is a bit of a clash of styles. I'd suggest making the text and supporting wolves more like the central symbol, and also maybe rejig the central image, so there's a happy medium established.

[Lyngs]

Heres another one. I included a yellow shade which is modifiable in-game when the original design is as gray as this one.

[Flufball]

I like it, although the yellow could be a tad more to the gold side of things. :p

[Lyngs]

I like it, although the yellow could be a tad more to the gold side of things. :p

Thats possible once its approved and on the sail. there are tons of different shades and colours. I just did the yellow as an example so ppl could see how it COULD look ;)

[Pegasus]

I think thats best by far...nice one.

Now all you need to do is experiment with different colours once ingame.

Tryed blue or white?

[Lyngs]

I think thats best by far...nice one.

Now all you need to do is experiment with different colours once ingame.

Tryed blue or white?

White will just leave it grey'ish, blue looks pretty cool



Doesnt get more simple than this i guess...

[Flufball]

See, simple looks alot better, although I'd be intrested to see what it'd look like if you could cram the text on there as well.

I'd also be intrested in seeing what the text looks like on its own.

As I said before a hint more gold to that yellow and it'll look lovely.

[Hovis]

With blue and white hulls and white sails with that pattern on our ships will look pimptastic.

Considered anything regarding flag design yet Lyngs? I'd say a blue and white diagonally halved background with the wolf head in the middle would be best. Not sure on the colour for the wolf head though.

[Lyngs]

Considered anything regarding flag design yet Lyngs? I'd say a blue and white diagonally halved background with the wolf head in the middle would be best. Not sure on the colour for the wolf head though. I'll get on it right away mate ;)

[Lyngs]

Here are some to choose from, and yes im pretty bored... :p

[Hovis]

I'd say the top centre one, but I'd make the wolf smaller.

[GuardianAnge1]

left to right i'd go #2 (bread's choice), #4, #5, #12

[Hovis]

Regarding images on the flags you'd be surprised how distinct and cool smaller emblems on the flags look. With a slightly lighter shade of blue so the black stands out more you could get away with the wolf's head being maybe only two thirds as big as it is now. It might sound too small but on the ship models they work.

[Daymare]

tbh I like the ones with lions better, but not surei f they will look as good in game due to the amount of detail =)

[Lyngs]

Rewamped #2 as requested, also did one with shield...

[Flufball]

Second is nice, although the smaller wolf head on the first looks better. Poor Lyngs, you've run into a bunch of Art Critics. :p

[Lyngs]

Second is nice, although the smaller wolf head on the first looks better. Poor Lyngs, you've run into a bunch of Art Critics. :p

Hehe, thats ok, as long as we get closer to a final submission candidate that most can agree on ;)

[Daymare]

one to the right is good, the one to the left is ruined by choice of color, but if the colors were changed it might look better :)

[DarthS]

I'm going to chip in at this late stage, and suggest loosing the ring.

Rings really don't fit the era. Try the wolfs-head on some other sort of emblem, like a shield.

[Volw]

Rewamped #2 as requested, also did one with shield...

Just a thought, try placing the wolfs head in the upper left corner and write 'RL' in some fancy font in the other corner?

[Hovis]

I think Darth makes a good point, circle emblems really only appeared when people needed an easy symbol to stick on fighter planes so they could recognise them.

Thing is regarding realism, ships didn't have designs on the sails at all anyway. Sails got damaged, mended, replaced and so forth especially in battle, you'd want cheap white canvas, not monkeying around with designs.

[DarthS]

No, but a flag is a flag.

Anyway, there is a Fileplanet stress-test this weekend. Grab your keys, they are going fast.

http://www.fileplanet.com/promotions/potbs/index.aspx

[Flufball]

Rar, here comes Rear Admiral Warburton the Third! Or at least someone more sensible that is less likely to have Bread chasing me with a pitchfork. :p

[Flufball]

Bugger its a bloody SOE release isnt it? I completly forgot that that usually means an extra two or three hours of downloading meaningless png files for the launch pad and then being able to move on to patch the damn game about 50 times...

[Ludicrouse]

/castNecromancy

How about this for a sail decal?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/ludicrouse/RLSaildecal.jpg


Knocked up by Bags and slightly mucked about with by me :)

[Ironman]

Drop the compas and it'll be fine. Having played the game I can only say that the finer details get lost on a sail so just use a wolfhead and that's it.

[JojoTheSlayer]

/castNecromancy

How about this for a sail decal?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/ludicrouse/RLSaildecal.jpg


Knocked up by Bags and slightly mucked about with by me :)

Just a wolf would be cool if it just looked a bit more aggressive.

Eg this cover:
http://static.4players.de/premium/SpielSystem/54/e8/5553-cover_hires.jpg

[Volw]

The head posted above won't be accepted, it has to fit with the era.

[Gunhead]

Here's the official guide to sailmaking: http://www.burningsea.com/page/uc/2d
(you might need to login to view the page)

Main thing when doodling with flags and sails is the quoted:

What We’re Looking For

What is Flying Lab going to approve? Broadly, we’re looking for submissions that are both appropriate to the setting and high quality.

Appropriate to the Setting

The setting is the Caribbean in 1720. Photos of sports cars would be extremely out of place. But how does FLS judge what is historically appropriate, and what isn’t?

Well, one extreme is obvious. Anyone looking at a photo of the space shuttle knows that it’s not appropriate for the setting. But there’s a big gray area in between, and when it comes down to it, what’s appropriate for our setting is a judgment call on our part.

The best advice is to ask these questions about your pattern:
Could your pattern have been constructed back in 1720?
Is the content of your flag appropriate to 1720?
Is the visual style consistent with the artistry of 1720?

If the answer is ‘yes’ to all of these questions, then your submission is likely to be appropriate to our setting. If you answer ‘no’ to one or more, try to figure out what you can do to adapt your pattern so that it does satisfy these questions.

Not sure how tightly FLS considers heraldry when accepting/denying flag and sail patterns but if someone wants to give it a crack do google searches with "heraldry", "heraldic beasts" and such to get the guideline to visuals of coats-of-arms. One key thing with animals in heraldic design is that they have to be facing left (or towards the viewer). This is because back in the day knights wore their shields on the left arm and as you're on horseback the possible animal figure on your shield needed to be facing forwards rather than backwards in relation to your mount - putting the beast on a shield facing right (towards rear when mounted) was a grave insult to the shield's bearer as it hinted of cowardice and submission.

Yes i had a heraldry course included in my studies, it was fucking mandatory within art history :p

Lyngs' original template in this thread (the wolves holding the shield) is awesome imo, would just need a proper centerpiece on the shield, reckon our "traditional" motto "Primus Inter Pares" would fit best with a good typeface.

[JojoTheSlayer]

The head posted above won't be accepted, it has to fit with the era.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Norwegian_COA_redyellow.250px.png/50px-Norwegian_COA_redyellow.250px.png
How about this one?

Pirates: "Oh noes, its the police!"
RLs: "whoop, whoop, the police is in da house..." :D

[GuardianAnge1]

i say stick with original one, just work on it a bit more

[MiMaRz]

i say stick with original one, just work on it a bit more

/signed

[Pegasus]

whers the no crying in the red zone bit :P

[Gunhead]

whers the no crying in the red zone bit :P

LOL man i enjoyed that Spanish Town job even though we never got to the flip. If stuff like that will be happening in live Age of Conan and Warhammer will have a hell of a job luring me over.

[Ludicrouse]

It will Gun, but only the British and the Pirates will get a full 24 into the port battles :(

[Hovis]

The Witcher wolf head would be awesome. Black on white sails. For a flag I think just a corner to opposite corner split of blue and white. Those seem to be our colours, and I think flags need to use really simple visual effects to look good because they are so tiny.

[Ludicrouse]

Ripping off a game's cover art for out sail decal = Extremely gay.

[Hovis]

Ripping off a game's cover art for out sail decal = Extremely gay.

Welcome to the Navy, hang your trousers on the hook by the door and make ready for the officer's mess.

Seriously though I didn't mean nick the whole thing (I'm trying to type posts while getting ready to go out). Point is that a front-looking Wolf would be a good sail decal. The one from the Witcher, suitably modified, would be a good start in that regard. Especially as I am a big fan of a monochrome logo, just because I think it'll look better.

[Bagpuss]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6572/rlpotbslogo3ty8.png

A rough idea, reasonably accurate for 1720's, and ONLY for the French Faction

[Volw]

TBH I think it might be too 'heavy'...

[Ludicrouse]

TBH I think it might be too 'heavy'...

Care to elaborate? I think it needs to be shrunk to get a better look if thats what you mean.

[GuardianAnge1]

skip the anchor and maybe try put the wolf (which I like) in the shield

[Seraph]

I think without the anchor but wolf where it is and writing on the shield over the pattern.

[Bagpuss]

i'm bored ...

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8818/rlpotbslogo4vu9.th.png (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4vu9.png)http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2253/rlpotbslogo4spainhi1.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4spainhi1.png) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7899/rlpotbslogo4englandsl9.th.png (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4englandsl9.png)

edited again ..

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1807/rlpotbslogo5uu4.th.png (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo5uu4.png) http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3890/rlpotbslogo4spainbq6.th.png (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4spainbq6.png) http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5765/rlpotbslogo4england2ks7.th.png (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4england2ks7.png)

[Ludicrouse]

that is fucking impressive... :eek:

[Flufball]

You do realise that this means we have no choice but to go French don't you? :p

[Volw]

Well, I like simple things .. the logo you made, is showing 3 different things; anchor, wolf and a shield/emblem thingie.

I'd drop the anchor and merge the rest somehow, so it looks like one thing.

Maybe put the wolfs head on the shield?

Oh, and try to keep it in grayscale so it can be coloured nicely in-game.

[Ludicrouse]

Obviously Volw isnt looking at the new ones :p

[Bagpuss]

i'm bored ...

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8818/rlpotbslogo4vu9.th.png (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4vu9.png)http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2253/rlpotbslogo4spainhi1.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4spainhi1.png) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7899/rlpotbslogo4englandsl9.th.png (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4englandsl9.png)

edited again ..

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1807/rlpotbslogo5uu4.th.png (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo5uu4.png) http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3890/rlpotbslogo4spainbq6.th.png (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4spainbq6.png) http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5765/rlpotbslogo4england2ks7.th.png (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4england2ks7.png)

All shiney and new ones up ..all 3 nation factions covered

[GuardianAnge1]

blue one is awesome, n1 baggie

[Volw]

ah, nice .. lol


Spanish Navy flag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Naval_Jack_of_Spain.svg

You could try to make the shield white and add a red wolf with a crown .. similar to the lion in the upper right.

[Bagpuss]

To be historically accurate with spanish one you would use the naval flag for the period, but this flag is so boring its not funny. So we pinched the ingame one and farted about with the colours. The naval jack that you posted was used from 1945 onwards.

For the history buffs the correct flag up to 1701 was the Cross of Burgandy, which was changed to have a yellow background by the king of spain due to its similarity to the George Cross that the British navy flew. This new yrllow one was used until 1745, with the exception of the kings vessel which had its own standard.

[Ludicrouse]

As Bags said, FLS will only accept historically accurate images, so no flag designs that were in use after 1720.

[Volw]

erm, no :p

http://forums.renegade-legion.org/showpost.php?p=111097&postcount=64

It doensn't have to historicaly accurate.

I don't see any reason why such flag would be invalid.

Slapping a wolf with a crown is as historicaly accurate as slapping a wolf on top of a real emblem ;)

[Ludicrouse]

Could your pattern have been constructed back in 1720?
Is the content of your flag appropriate to 1720?
Is the visual style consistent with the artistry of 1720?

No, the Bandera de Proa o de Tajamar was used from 1785, 65 years later than the game. Sorry, but you do not have a Tardis/Delorean/Yank Telephone Box.

It doesnt even tick the box for the first question.


People have tried making sail/flag designs based on later versions of their respective nations flag designs but got rejected.

[Volw]

But I don't mean to copy the whole flag. Actualy not a single part of it.

You could try to make the shield white and add a red wolf with a crown .. similar to the lion in the upper right.

[Ludicrouse]

Ahh, i understand.

You could, but tbh the Spanish are a pain to get a decent design for. As Sean said, from 1701 to the late 1700's it was the Cross of Burgundy with a yellow background. Other than that the Spaniards tended to use alot of Heraldry on their flag designs but most of these as you would expect from Heraldry are specific to rank, title and family which makes them impractical for our use unless we specifically created a custom one, but tbh thats alot of work for a really nice one that Sean has already made and that fits in with the current Spanish Naval Ensign.

[MiMaRz]

i say go for the lyngs one or bag's decals. and please dont make us go french.

[Bagpuss]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8818/rlpotbslogo4vu9.th.png (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4vu9.png)http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2253/rlpotbslogo4spainhi1.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4spainhi1.png) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7899/rlpotbslogo4englandsl9.th.png (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4englandsl9.png)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1807/rlpotbslogo5uu4.th.png (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo5uu4.png) http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3890/rlpotbslogo4spainbq6.th.png (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4spainbq6.png) http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5765/rlpotbslogo4england2ks7.th.png (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbslogo4england2ks7.png)

Flag Time ..

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[Hovis]

Those sails do look great. For the flags though I'd suggest using a solid colour block though, rather than the double chevrons, so for instance where the centre chevron starts, I'd have that and all of the flag to the right of it white. So it's just the two blocks of colour. Intricacy can be lost on flags somewhat.

I'm really a nub at design though, so don't mind me. :)

[Bagpuss]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7200/rlpotbsflagsp1hc3.th.png (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbsflagsp1hc3.png) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7906/rlpotbsflagsp2wx7.th.png (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbsflagsp2wx7.png) http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3397/rlpotbsflagsp3gz6.th.png (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbsflagsp3gz6.png)

[Hovis]

Now that I do like. Is it within the parameters for resolution etc though? I don't know precisely what they've given you to play with in terms of pixel area.

We will have to rethink fleet colours, but that can wait. :D

[Ludicrouse]

128x85 for Flags. Resolution isnt the problem, any good artist will tell you that its best to work much bigger than you need and then shrink it.

As for the fleet colours, we dont really need to change them tbh, the White/Blue fits in with RL's logo. If we did, atleast the spanish have more of a choice than just Blue and White of the frenchies :)

[Bagpuss]

Dont worry about resolution and stuff, i can tweak that.. i'm working at about 100 times the resolution of the flags anyways [thaty flag on my machine is 124Mb saved ..to give you some idea of the level of detail inside it.

Bags tip of the day ...

The biggest mistake people are making with flag & sail design is colour choice. The colours have to be correct for the era, e.g. you cant have a red thats RGB 255.0.0 or a pure white or black.

The Pantone sets from Disney are good for getting a colour pallette that looks good.

[Hovis]

128x85 for Flags. Resolution isnt the problem, any good artist will tell you that its best to work much bigger than you need and then shrink it.

As for the fleet colours, we dont really need to change them tbh, the White/Blue fits in with RL's logo. If we did, atleast the spanish have more of a choice than just Blue and White of the frenchies :)

Blue is very much the French colour though really. Brits have red. Pirates black. There is some crossover though. Traditionally the Spaniards seem to have an orange thing going on. Will need to take some ships out and have a play around with them. Am thinking maybe dark brown and orange, or something like that. Will have to see.

[Ludicrouse]

White/Red appears to be prevalent on Spanish SoL's.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Santisima_Trinidad.jpg

[Bagpuss]

white hull, black keel, orange-gold trim work, off-white [very light brown] sails + sail design & flag would look sweet

[Bagpuss]

bored again ...

For the un-imaginative ..

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1239/spmockup1sq6.jpg

[Gunhead]

Traditionally the Spaniards seem to have an orange thing going on.

Wouldn't use orange mate as it's more the traditional Dutch colour and even though they're not playable faction Holland still had significant presence and influence in the Caribbeans during that era. Think Spain's colour schemes have been mainly in the lines of yellow, red, black and white as dominant colours.


Those are some damn fine looking sails there Bags. Although could you try having the wolf in solid black or other dark colour so it'd stand out better from the whole of it? Just seems to be easy to miss on the pattern looking at that ship pic.

[Bagpuss]

Dont panic, if one of the designs i've done is chosen they will both get reworked with the colour pallettes so flag & sail has some consistancy in them. At the moment i'm not to arsed about the exact colours as i have a pallette of 16.2 million and am not storing the Pantone numbers for all the ones i've used so far.

The ship picture was a rough, and i mean very rough, representation of what the design would look like on a set of sails. Space warping the sail design onto the JPEG of the ship was more an exercise in "How long will this take to do", its just that the 10 mins or so it took came out rather well so i thought i'd post it rather than just using the flat sail texture from the game... oh and ludi said it would be hard to do ..so i did it to prove its not :)

[Ludicrouse]

I said it was tricky in Photochop! ;)

[Bagpuss]

Ok heres the final version of the Spanish set. Be warned the picture is quite large.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9080/rlpotbsspainfinalcf4.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rlpotbsspainfinalcf4.jpg)

General Viewing tip: Save the big JPEG to your PC then open it in MS-image viewer. You can zoom in and out and see what it actually looks like at various sizes.

Things to note.

1) Colours used in the picture are NOT standard solid colours [even the white]. This was done to try and keep in theme with the game's timeline. The 1700's had no way to produce the bright chemical dyes we see in print today, and as such the colours were purposly made to look "worn".

2) ALL the solid black outlines have been removed from the design. This was making some of the scaled down images look "blocky" or just a black blob.

3) All the colours have now been palette matched across both the sail design and the flag

4) At game resolutions you will not be able to read the text on the motto scroll. This is not by my design but rather by the way the graphics are handled in game. To make it readable you would need the motto scroll nearly 2-3 times as big.

5) Although you cannot see it on the test JPEG there will be an alpha channel present on the submitted design. This will allow you to re-colour your sails, but will only allow limited "tinting" of the submitted design. There is also an alpha channel present on the flag design so it should look like is actually fixed to the flagpole properly, not just velcro'ed along the left hand edge.

6) No copyright infringments, as far as i know, exist in either design.

7) And yes they are digitally watermarked, so no sneaky passing them off as your own ideas :P


Note to Gun : I did try darkening the wolf up a bit but frankly it looked shit once it was scaled down .. see point 1 & 2

[Volw]

Looks nice! :D

[Hovis]

To save the ballache of a poll, can we just say now that if anybody objects to Baggy's flags and sails then speak now or STFU? I think they're great and we'll be the best dressed clan, as well as the deadliest.

[Gunhead]

To save the ballache of a poll, can we just say now that if anybody objects to Baggy's flags and sails then speak now or STFU? I think they're great and we'll be the best dressed clan, as well as the deadliest.

Agree. Sean's done a sterling job on those sails and flags, i'd say just submit them.

[Taylor]

Aye they're fairly boss.

Much better than the obvious paint drawn black outline penis that would've been my sails had I been left to my own devices.

[Ludicrouse]

Gotta wait until after the 7th to submit as they have disabled the user content section for a while :)